Who is THIS Jesus??? God?

[Abril]

Joshua: Amen! You know it takes more faith not to believe in the creator (God) than it does to believe!!! It's so evident that there had to be a "creative" intelligence behind the universe, and humanity. An explosion "big bang" then out popped the universe and life (humanity) with such order and perfection??? It takes a WHOLE LOT OF FAITH to believe that!!!

Godchaser: Thanks once again my brother. You have just confirmed what I already knew in the spirit to do.

Much Love & Many Blessings!
-Abril

[Eddier1]

Originally posted by Abril
Joshua: Amen! You know it takes more faith not to believe in the creator (God) than it does to believe!!! It's so evident that there had to be a "creative" intelligence behind the universe, and humanity. An explosion "big bang" then out popped the universe and life (humanity) with such order and perfection??? It takes a WHOLE LOT OF FAITH to believe that!!!

Godchaser: Thanks once again my brother. You have just confirmed what I already knew in the spirit to do.

Much Love & Many Blessings!
-Abril

Abril, I wrote a post to you, and godcatcher thought so little of you that he answered the post for you. Have you no voice of your own? Can't you think on your own? Instead, all you do is give your approval like a puppet with someone else pulling the strings. Sista' you take the easy path and not the hard way of seeking truth and liberating your own mind, so that you have a voice of your own and an individuality of your own.

Now, you add Joshue, who opines that Nothing is something because it has "zero point infinite energyi". Can't he see that Nothing is nothing and multiplied by anything else is still zero. Oh, you believe in the order and perfection of a Universe where 'WORLDS COLLIDE' where random accidents happen all the time, and in our solar system Venus is actually spinning in a retrograde motion opposite to all the other planets of our system. This was proved by the space exploration of Venus, by the voyager space probe that confirmed it with scientific instruments conclusively. This is scientific truth and not the easy road that leads to error and foolishness on the grand scale of organized religionism.

"God" is a fantasy although the organized religions are real. And how! that they are real when they produce individuals like you are who are so benighted you act the puppet and nod in approval to any that mouth the words of belief in deity.

Sista' you need help in being a real person and not a puppet. And you aren't going to find it among religionists who are just as fooled as you are. You must learn to think! just think on your own, and seek the truth that is confirmed and verified by science and philosophy. Have a nice day, Abril; I only wanted what is best for you, even if you don't believe in me nor trust the way I pointed out to you above.

P.S. if you are going to answer this post hurling abuse and slander at me like is the wont of other religionists on this forum, who for example compare me a Puertorriqueno on all four sides with a far eastern person called Pol Pot, then it is better you remain silent, and go about your ways sista'Abril.

HACIA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE BORICUAS, VENCEREMOS!
SOY PUERTORRIQUENO Y PUNTO; Y REALISTA SOCIAL.
EDDIE R.

[Rivera33]

Eddier 1: I forgot to tell you that your Baptism in the Catholic Church is for Eternity. Also, since are really knowlegeable about the Catholic Church..please read my earlier post and realize that it meets the teachings of the Church. God Bless You my Brother!

Originally posted by hellhector2-0
I never liked religions, and I do really hate the contradictions that religionist had and the suffering they cause. My grandma practized Voodoo, she was big on that nonsence, because of that, the christians of the neighborhood show no mercy in the prejudice that our family suffered when I was a kid. Christ one of the most tolerant man that I ever heard off, had created one of the most intolerant and elitist cults. Because of that prejudice millions suffered. The god catcher forgot the pain that christianity had cause in history, from the crusades, the burnings at the stakes, the participation of the catholics in the holocaust etc. etc. If I start the list, I never finish. Religions especially the agresive pu(kes of islam, are the biggest obstacle of sociological evolution. Religion has the biggest BS story and to today, I still don't get why so many people buy the bullcr@p. Aparently there is an invisible creature in the sky that watch us all the time, he created a set of rules that we had to follow, or we are going to a place of torture, pain, unspekable atrocity for eternity until the end of time, DON'T WORRY, BECAUSE HE LOVES YOU if that is not bull$hit I have no idea what bulls#it is. Somehow these creature is omnipotent but can't handle money, somehow in the house of the lord money is need it constantly. well there is no evidence of a god in science. I don't know why he is hiding from the scientists. No god had beign seen, measure or calculated yet, so the MASSIVE EVIDENCE OF IT'S INEXISTANCE, SHOULD BE THE MOTIVATION OF ANY RESPONSIBLE GENERATION TO INFLUENCE THE NEXT STEP OF SOCIAL EVOLUTION.

NO CHRIST HAD SPOKE TO ME, NO MOHAMED EITHER, AND THE CHICKEN AND LOAS THAT MY GRANDMA PRAY TO ARE ROTTEN WITH HER BODY. THEY DID NOT HELP HER EITHER WITH THE CANCER. See ya religionists, good luck with your myths.

OK then, so what DO you believe? And why?

[Joshue]

Originally posted by Eddier1

Abril, I wrote a post to you, and godcatcher thought so little of you that he answered the post for you. Have you no voice of your own? Can't you think on your own? Instead, all you do is give your approval like a puppet with someone else pulling the strings. Sista' you take the easy path and not the hard way of seeking truth and liberating your own mind, so that you have a voice of your own and an individuality of your own.

Now, you add Joshue, who opines that Nothing is something because it has "zero point infinite energyi". Can't he see that Nothing is nothing and multiplied by anything else is still zero. Oh, you believe in the order and perfection of a Universe where 'WORLDS COLLIDE' where random accidents happen all the time, and in our solar system Venus is actually spinning in a retrograde motion opposite to all the other planets of our system. This was proved by the space exploration of Venus, by the voyager space probe that confirmed it with scientific instruments conclusively. This is scientific truth and not the easy road that leads to error and foolishness on the grand scale of organized religionism.

"God" is a fantasy although the organized religions are real. And how! that they are real when they produce individuals like you are who are so benighted you act the puppet and nod in approval to any that mouth the words of belief in deity.

Sista' you need help in being a real person and not a puppet. And you aren't going to find it among religionists who are just as fooled as you are. You must learn to think! just think on your own, and seek the truth that is confirmed and verified by science and philosophy. Have a nice day, Abril; I only wanted what is best for you, even if you don't believe in me nor trust the way I pointed out to you above.

P.S. if you are going to answer this post hurling abuse and slander at me like is the wont of other religionists on this forum, who for example compare me a Puertorriqueno on all four sides with a far eastern person called Pol Pot, then it is better you remain silent, and go about your ways sista'Abril.

HACIA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE BORICUAS, VENCEREMOS!
SOY PUERTORRIQUENO Y PUNTO; Y REALISTA SOCIAL.
EDDIE R.

If you multiply by zero, then it will be zero, true. Not if you add though, trillions of fluctuations is exactly trillions of fluctuations. 1,000,000,000,000 + 1,000,000,000,000 does not equal zero Eddie. They add up like a bee hive. The vaccum, the most famous empirical representation of nothingnes, have infinite energy.
I have to agree with you on the chaos factor again, because, the fluctuations I am talking about, are nothing more than chaos.

Abril I think you miss interpreted what I posted, I do believe in the big bang theory. I think it was mention in the bible [para ser honesto estoy filosofomierdando]it is in Genesis, "let there be light" this is my theological hipotesis that was the big bang. My arguments against the claims that this universe is an accident goes in the snaping of the pieces of the universe puzzle. It is an imposibility that just by chance it happened. The universe was not an accident