Tough Questions

[Geetee]

Hi people,

Chi, the Bible isn’t corrupted. As for not understanding it, why don’t you try studying it yourself, then you can come to <<YOUR OWN>> conclusion, (Acts 17:11).

The problem isn’t the misinterpretation of the Bible, but the fact that those that say they believe in it live more for their traditions and customs then they do for doing the will of God.

It took 40 God inspired men some 16 century’s to put into writing what today is the 39 books of the Hebrew Aramaic Scriptures and 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures we call today “The Bible”.

I won’t even begin to mention the obstacles the “Bible” has had to go through just to make it to us, in this time of age, in one piece, as it has. Criollo is right about one thing. “God has protected his word” for the sake of his name.

As for the Qu’ran, it has been kept in tacked because that’s what your religious leaders wish. But tell me this. How does that help those that don’t know the language?

The Qu’ran and the Bible have nothing in common. God’s wish, “in the final part of the days,” is to bring people of “all nations” to worship him. (Isaiah 2:2) To finish with the corrupt governments of this world by establishing his kingdom on earth as is in heaven. (Daniel 2:44) And to restore paradise. (Revelation 21:3,4)

Doesn’t that sound nice?

That’s why it called the “Good News”. Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t go door to door to convert people. We do it as a testament of God’s coming kingdom.

There are hundreds of religions all over this planet. But when the storm hits, there will only be two.

“READ GOD’S WORD, THE BIBLE, EVERY DAY”

PS.

Chi. Your right about one thing.

“Now we may argue this thing out until Armageddon but not one of us here will change their minds about their religious beliefs and I am not asking anyone to….
What we should do is drop all of this and move forward.”

But as for finding “a real solution to all of our worldly problems!”.

I repeat!

“READ GOD’S WORD, THE BIBLE, EVERY DAY”

Be good everyone,

It’s been nice.

George.

[El_Criollo]

GeeTee: You are not far from the Kingdom of God .

Manny

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desde_el_Jurutungo_de_Bairoa

[ChiRican]

GeeTee- I don't want to draw my own conclusion to the Bible I want to KNOW what god is saying in it! Thats the problem with all of these Christian religions today everyone has their own ideaology and conclusions as to what the Bible is saying thats how we got that holy ghost thing- nobody is really reading and studying it as we would any other book- like a math book. Instead we look at it hoping for some miricle to happen- but let me tell you my friends "it aint gonna happen!" I don't care how many times you read it- the content will not change unless you change it and reading the bible does not buy you a ticket to heaven! The same goes for the Qu'ran and our prayers- you can be the best Muslom on the outside but Allah also takes in to consideration what you do and feel inside where the public can't see.

Now we are all believers in that which none of us can really prove to be true! All we can do is provide books and use hear say- what we have been taught. You have never seen Jesus and I have never seen Allah- we feel them but we don't know for sure that that is even them we feel. You see faith is a belief in that which is nontangible- so since none of us can say that we saw god at the corner store then we are no different than the guy who believes in alliens. Now you may try and make that guy out to be a nut- but he has more to use to prove his beliefs than we Muslims and Christians do. My point is this- I know that at times I sound like I'm trying to dis' Christianity but I am not. I have simply been trying to defend my faith from people who have no real clue to what we believe. I am not trying to force Islam on yous or say that the Qu'ran is better than the Bible because as I once mentioned the Bible is also part of the Islamic community- all I want to do is get a few of yous to actually visit a Mosque and observe what goes on with an open heart and mind. I bet none of you have even seen a Qu'ran before in your lives- I mean all I want is for you to come into a Mosque and so that you can see that we are not terrorist who go around hijacking planes or bean pie vendors who preach black surpremacy because the white man is the devil. It is those misconceptions that have driven me even further from my family who are part time Christians as I know many of you are. Not to say that there are no part time Muslims because there are many.

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cristobal.guzman@puertorico.com Que Viva Humboldt Park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[El_Criollo]

You are wrong, ChiRican, I have bought a Koran in the past and read some of it. It was a Spanish translation, since I lived in Puerto Rico then. What I read came accross as MUMBO-JUMBO, particularly with a VERY ANGRY GOD. Similar to reading the Book of Isaiah by itself, without having the Books of 2nd Kings and 2nd Chronicles to give you the historical context of what Isaiah wrote. That is the nicety about the the Bible, it gives you both Prophesies as well as their fulfillment for you to understand what is being said.

About the Book of Isaiah, it was written around 700BC, that is 1320 years before the Koran. Well, one Prophesy in particular, about the SUFFERING SERVANT, in chapter 53, was FULFILLED to the last very letter when Jesus died and rose from death. I challenge you to come up with a similar Prophesy in the Koran, where an entire chapter (or Surah) gets fulfilled to the last very letter of the chapter 730 years after it was written. I bet you will not find any. In fact, that is precisely the very nature of PROPHESY, of God Speaking through a given person: if it does not happen, then we know God did not speak. As far as Isaiah, we know now God spoke through him, as far as other latter day prophets, their record is plain to see...

When I invite anyone to become a BELIEVER IN JESUS I invite them first to FIND OUT BY THEMSELVES if the MESSAGE is TRUE. After all, what is FAITH if it is found on a BLATANT LIE? Mere ignorant sentimentalism, like holding a rabbit's foot, or putting a horse-shoe over the door posts. Only FAITH grounded on the TRUTH can be of any value.

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desde_el_Jurutungo_de_Bairoa

[ChiRican]

note- I feel that god and Allah are the same but I will refer to the the christian god as "God" and Allah will be god.

Now lets talk about an angry god- Allah has never tried to say that he wasn't angry nor has he said that he wasn't happy niether has anyone in the Islamic community. Now God on the other hand claims to be "Love peace and all that good stuff" yet he allowed his so-called only son to die so that he could save a people who he has allowed to die- explain that to me- we are all born into sin according to Christianity yet Jesus- Gods son- part of the so-called Holy Trinity died for our sins- is that a contradiction, a lie or is it just something that I won't be able to understand? Well whats cruel is that God allowed Jesus to die when he could have saved us another way. Jesus' death also did not change anything! Now it was your God who flooded the Earth killing everyone and everything because man was commiting all sorts of sin- Now I don't know about you but I call that vengance, murder and retaliation which are all signs of anger. Now what God did is not disipline because murder is no form of disiplin! It is your God who is to come soon and bring war with evil and make brother turn against, brother- sister against sister etc. Basically it is your god who mentions the end of the world where he will destroy everyone who isn't on his side- what a bully and bully's ussualy have problems at home that they cannot control so they take their ANGER out on weaker individuals! OK now that is your god of jeje- "Love."

Now Allah on the other hand has done the same things as God because he is God but he has never lied to us or told us to "turn the other cheek" as does God who will send anyone of us to hell for not doing what he wants us to do when he created us with a free mind and will.

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cristobal.guzman@puertorico.com Que Viva Humboldt Park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Geetee]

Oh boy!
You two are getting pretty serious with this “Which God is the True God” thing.
Remember guys; there is only one “God”. It’s religions that there are to many of.

Chi, it’s true, a Christian can’t see the Bible as an open textbook, “like a math book”. We see it like the inspired word of God. But that doesn’t mean that it has to be a book of mysteries.

The Holy Spirit is Biblical, it’s gods active force by which he gets things done. He gave that Holy Spirit to his son, just as he does to those that serve him well. It’s those that don’t do his will that have to worry about not having God’s Holy Spirit.

As for buying you a ticket to heaven: the Bible teaches us many things. What God wants from us, how we should live our life so that we please him, how we should treat others, in the congregation and outside, how to treat with our family. It helps us earn “a ticket” to his approval. Of course, as you said, it’s not enough to just read the Bible. One must live a Christian life, and one must have faith that God’s way is the right way.

“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Heb.11: 1)

Chi, we don’t have to see God to believe that he exists. The only different with believing in God and believing in aliens is that we can see God’s existence in the things that surrounds us, and in his word, the Bible. There is a difference between the Bible and other religious books, something that even “Christianity” has tended to put aside, and that is its prophecies.

It has fulfilled a lot of prophecies, not only about Jesus, but also of a lot of other things.
It is fulfilling a lot of prophecies right now. And it has many prophecies that are to be fulfilled in the near and distant future.

There are a lot of thing that “Christianity” argues about when it comes to the Bible. But when you really look into it, you fined out that most of it is just customs and traditions or just plain false teachings. The immortality of the soul for example, something that even you believe in.

The word of God is quite simple in reality. It was men that turned his back on God, and it is mankind that refuses to summit itself to God.

Where I work, I have people who are under my authority, but that doesn’t make me the ultimate authority on the job. I have I high authority to answer to, just as they have there’s, and so on and so on…

Jehovah God created the universe, he made us all, and he is the ultimate authority. Don’t you think so?

He doesn’t wish for any of us to be destroyed, but for all to repent and find salvation. But that’s not what is on the minds of the vast majority of the people today. He brought the flood, but he first sent Noah. He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, but he knew what was in there harts. He destroyed Jerusalem, but it was his people who would not listen to his profits.

What makes you think that he will act in an unjust way in the ends of days?


There’s a storm (hurricane last time I heard) by the name of Albert. It’s not even half way across the Atlantic yet we’re already getting up to date information on where he’s heading. Armageddon is a tab bit more then any Albert, Georges or Andrew, but people just don’t seem to care.

God is Love. God is justice. But God is also intelligent, and God is powerful. No one will be treated with unjustly, for better or for worse.

Be good you guys,

Take care,

George.

[El_Jibaro]

Chi:

Have you ever heard of the word SACRIFICE? In the Old Testament people SACRIFICED Innocent Animals in order to spare living Sinners of INSTANT DEATH. Muslims traveling to Mecca still SACRIFICE ANIMALS, so it is not the monopoly of Jews. As for Christians, the FACT that Jesus died as THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE is the logical progression from sparing JEWISH SINNERS previously from INSTANT CORPORAL DEATH to TODAY'S SINNERS OF SECOND DEATH.

If you read closely Genesis, you will find Adam and Eve being clothed by God just before HE cast them out of Paradise. He did not clothe them with woven garments, but with ANIMAL SKINS, so in the first pages of the Bible we see INNOCENT ANIMALS dying for GUILTY HUMANS.

Chi, I see you miss the point. Physical Death is of little value, SPIRITUAL DEATH is of INFINITE VALUE. Jesus did not die on the Cross to save our skins, He died to save OUR SPIRITS. God can EASILY remake our skins at any moment after death, BUT NOT OUR SPIRITS. You also IGNORE the Doctrine of the Lake of Fire. The Bible says in Revelation Chapters 20 and 21 that the Lake of Fire was made to PUNISH ETERNALLY Satan. Those who SIN become allies of Satan, and that is WHY GOD HIMSELF HAD TO RESCUE THEM, but those who REJECT this RESCUING Sacrifice of Jesus will partake of Satan's Reward because they are REJECTING the ONLY WAY of SALVATION. In fact, this is why we call going to Heaven for Christians <<SALVATION>>, because we naturally deserve something else.

Chi, you don't have to understand the TRINITY to see that God did the ULTIMATE in SALVATION. Sinners deserve ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, and HE TOOK THIS ETERNAL PUNISHMENT HIMSELF when HE was nailed to the cross. Chi, this is explained in 2 Corinthians 5.21, so read it and you will see.

And GeeTee, what you OPENLY TEACH is SALVATION THROUGH GOOD WORKS. Read Ephesians 2, and tell me what comes first, SALVATION or Good Works? There is SAVING FAITH, and then there is the kind of faith that make demons only shudder. GeeTee, I HOPE YOU HAVE SAVING FAITH: I know I do, since I have a POWERFUL WITNESS that tells me so [Romans 8.9-17].

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Manuel Alonso