Judaism

[El_Jibaro]

It has come to my attention that many here don't even know what Judaism is. While I am only a Christian I have to acknowledge the roots of Christianity, without which Christianity loses its validity.

What is Judaism?

It is a religion founded on a Contract between two parties:

God and Abraham

God revealed to this man in dreams and visions. The man follows God's guidance step by step until God makes a final TREATY (the Contract). This Contract states that God will do three things: give the man and his progeny the ownership over a given piece of land as long as the Earth exists, that the man would have a very INMENSE number of descendants, and that through one member of his progeny God would bless the rest of humanity; while God requires of the man that He be the only deity that the man serves in worship, and that the man also circumcise every male born to his household 8 days after birth forever.

After the man dies, God keeps dealing with the man's family. He starts weeding out family members with the Contract. First, the Contract does not go to the natural first-born of the man, but to his supernaturally born second son Isaac. Further, after Isaac himself has two kids the winner of the Contract again is the second son, and this through shady dealings (cheating and lying), of who the "winner" is aptly named "cheater" (Jacob).

Well, Jacob doesn't get the Contract "scott-free", he gets cheated himself by his uncle for 21 years in a row, and his own children turn out to be a band of violent thugs. One of his own sons, the next to last, gets sold as a slave to Arab merchants who wind up selling him to an Egyptian captain. The Egyptian captian puts Joseph in charge of the farm and the captains wife decides to use Joseph for more than farm administration, so when Joseph does not comply he ends up in the slammer for 13 years. This same Joseph deciphers, with God's help, the meaning of the dreams of two Egyptian nobles, and when the Egyptian king gets fantastic dreams in the night, none of his scientific experts can help him, so Joseph winds up with the task, and does so well that he ends up being the Prime Minister of Egypt [the largest Super-Power of those days].

Bamm! The famine happens just as Joseph predicted, but he had prepared the country during 7 years. One day his villainous brother show up to buy food, and the dreams that got Jospeh in trouble with the murderous creatures become fulfilled. The king of Egypt ends up giving Joseph's family the lease of a certain county of land, and hundreds of years later Joseph's and his brothers' descendants are so many that Egyptians begin a population control program that includes infanticide [for lack of abortions...] and wholesale slavery. Then God recalls the Contract and assigns the task of national liberation to an elderly shepherd who had been in Egypt's MOST WANTED list: Moses.

Without an army, and without the need for terrorism and violent comfrontation, Moses does what God said and leads a horde of more than two million ex-slaves out to the lands promised in the Contract. Not without first having the Egyptian Marine Corps out on their trail and crossing a sea extension like dry land, but watching while the sea caught up with the Egyptian commandoes and their tanks and drown them.

Then the elderly shepherd leads the Israeli horde to the mountain where he was called into his mission and God takes the Contract and expands it into a full-fledged Constitution, where He is Absolute King and they become His subjects. As part of the requirements He stipulates holidays, ceremonies and ritual cleansing through many methods, many of which include the death of animals in order to spare human beings from instant death every time they fail to comply with the Contract stipulations.

As can be expected, most of the people in the horde do not comply with the rules, neither do they want to follow the old shepeherd, so God starts a 40 year national education program. Pol-Pot tried it too, but he was not God... Anyway, God builds up a nation where there were only slaves before, making what was just a religion into an ENTIRE ETHNOS and CULTURE. That is why Judaism is not just a religion, it is an entire world view and customs.

Anyway, the horde enters the lands promised by the Contract after the old shepeherd dies, and so begins the prosperous and tumultuous existence of Israel the nation.

Suffice to say that because of many multiple Contractual breaks on the part of the subjects of the Contract, God kicks them out of the lands.

There however remained the prospect of future restoration through the Person of a future Anointed Leader (Messiah means ANOINTED in Hebrew). Many false Anointed Leaders rose up in the ranks of the Jewish peoples, and when the real one showed up, it didn't register in their radars. They still wait for the Anointed Leader to show up, and He will. In the mean time, they try with all their human strengths to comply with all the clauses of the Contract (which is very hard). That is one reason they don't want to convince anyone to join their Contract, they know it is hard (or is it just that they don't like newcomers?).

[conciencia]

Jibaro,

Again you are not doing indepth research, furthermore you are twisting the truth. I warn you, be careful with the Word of God you must explain it as it should be and do not try to misguide the readers, since that is Satan's job. First of all Jacob does not mean "cheater" it means " One seizing the heel; Supplanter" Because his birth was a Prophesy from God himself as a birth of two nations, and that these twins Esau (called Edom) and Jacob (later called Israel) consisted. Jacob was born holding his brothers heel. Esau sold his birth rights for a bowl of stew. If you look Ro 9:13 and Mal 1:2,3 you will see that God loved Jacob and hated Esau. Remember Rebekah herself was revealed that her second son was to be the anointed one. Isaac just favored Esau and did not see Jacob for his caracter, the Bible says that his was considered "blameless or TAM" Ge 25:27,28. and the Bible assures us that Blameless man will be peaceful. Pr 29:10;Ps 37:37 and job 1:1, 8; 2:3. We cannot justify Jacob's problems throughout his because of a prophesy. Just like all of our prophets had a really hard time since that was the price for following God will. If you continue to read and research you will also see that Esau and Jacob finish loving each other and buring their father together. Ge 32:3; Jos 24:4. and Ge 32:6, 7 10-15; 33:1-3,8,9, 11-16; 35:29.


I can understand your favortism for JUDISM, but the fact is that thier way of life, culture and belief and practices were all abolished by Jesus Christ himself starting with the Sabbath for which it was one of the reason they sacrifice/kill him. True we cannot discount their history and social history, but we can not agree with their current beliefs, we as Christian must spread our teaching and fullfil the last command in the new Testament " Love in each as you love yourself. Be careful since your inclinations can be considered blasfemy.

[El_Jibaro]

XXXciencia:

You don't need to choke with the TRUTH, I had to present the summarized version of the entire history of Judaism. I know that for you Jesus is just a mere "Enlightened Teacher", not God incarnate. That is why one of your other pen-names is nonson, because you dislike the notion that the God of the entire universe would have a Son, that God Himself may have Three Persons. It happens to allot of people who swallow the Q'Ran hook, line and sinker, you know.

Anyway, Jesus did not come into the world to abolish the "Contract", but to fulfill it Himself:

<<17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the LAW or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the LAW until everything is accomplished.>> - Matthew 5:17,18

As to its application for us, I know fully well that the "Contract" is not for us non-Jews to abide by:

<<15Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. 17What I mean is this: The LAW, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18For if the inheritance depends on the LAW, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19What, then, was the purpose of the LAW? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The LAW was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.

21Is the LAW, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a LAW had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the LAW. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the LAW, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the LAW was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the LAW.

26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

1What I am saying is that as long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate. 2He is subject to guardians and trustees until the time set by his father. 3So also, when we were children, we were in slavery under the basic principles of the world. 4But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under LAW, 5to redeem those under LAW, that we might receive the full rights of sons. 6Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father." 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.>> - Galatians 3:15-4:7

[conciencia]

Jibaro,

I came to the conclusion that you just cannot read. Where do you see that I am a Muslim, where or how do you associate me with Nonson ? And how and why do you come up with the fulfillment on the above topic ? Stop cutting and pasting and write your own arguments.

[El_Jibaro]

You barely mention Jesus, though you deal with everything else... Seeing how you go round and round and round and round without addressing the subject of Jesus being God's ONLY Son and Savior, but in the meantime you write pompously about His teachings, I deducted that you don't really believe that Jesus is God, nor on his Atoning Death on the cross for our sins. Hey, maybe you are a JW and not Muslim... But, I find odd that whenever nonesense shows up you are nowhere to be seen, and when you show up (which has been allot lately), nonesense is nowhere to be seen. And your name seems an offshoot of the word nonesense, which I stuck to that "poor antichristian soul".

You disliked my cutting and pasting of God's Word: <<17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the LAW or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the LAW until everything is accomplished.>> - Matthew 5:17,18

Why?

Anyway, you stated before that Christ abolished the Law, and you are dead wrong: HE FULFILLED IT TO THE LAST "IOTA". That is why He is the PERFECT SUBSTITUTE for taking the GUILT of all humanity on the cross: BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE COULD OBEY ABSOLUTELY THE LAW BUT HIM. And now, we ALL by Faith in Him can take credit for what He did; and not because we usurp to take credit, but because He bestows the credit on those who believe in Him (John 3:16).

Do you really believe in HIM?

[conciencia]

Jibaro, I see that you interprete the Bible to your own desires ooops....

As I said before I am a Christian with no denomination preference. I do say to you, He is my Savoir, He is the Son of God, he was the choosen one because he was pure. He abolished the "LAW" by fullfilling it. Big difference is not it? You never mentioned that did you? that is way I refute any other teaching but True Christianity, but you embrace everything as if you are affraid of who to offend. Take a stand with your beliefs and your Nation.

[El_Jibaro]

The reason that I QUOTE often from the Bible is that I am absolutely convinced it is the Word of God, Powerful enough to touch the hearts and minds of thirsty human beings who want to know God and have a personal relationship with Him.

Yet you have said before CLEARLY that the Bible is corrupt.

That is the fundamental difference between you and me: I believe in the Bible 100% and you don't.

By the way: you haven't acknowledged Jesus as God, interesting...

I, like the Apostle Paul, want to win as many people to believe in Jesus as possible, that they may be saved: because I care for people's salvation!

No XXX, I am not afraid to offend people: I have stated in clear terms where I stand. How about you?