Confusing enough?????

[conciencia]

Jibarito,

(Notice how I mentioned your self given name, with warmth and respect). I wonder how you stated on the right track and ended attacking me hmmmmm.


Anyway, I am glad you admitted that the word Trinity is not ever mentioned in the Bible, that is a good sign, indeed. In other words you do admite that is an Doctrine a heresy, good! we are getting somewhere.

Jibaro, So you are trying to make clear understanding of what is writting on the Bible, not everybody has the dicernment to do so, we need certain chosen souls to do so. How can you compare the book of Revelation with that of John or any other books of the bible; remember each one of them were inspired by the Holy Spirit, thus they have a different purpose, regardless of the author. I can not believe you using that poor example, what is wrong with you. Anyway I believe every knowledgeable Christian recognizes the book of revelation can not be taken or reason with simplicity, such book injects lots of ilustrative profesies, spiritual meaning and lots of symbolic agendas. It would be a blasfemy to literally use simplistic reasoning to describe and dicifer all of its content. You should know these things come on Jibaro, que pasa?. When such Apostle saw such image, everybody knows that the time and place were not real but simbolic, either by dreams o profecies, what a bad use of an excuse...boy...

By the way just because my Poems are artful it does not mean I engage in Pornagraphy and we all heard your story of being an Engineer, come on Brother get off that horse....

[El_Jibaro]

The Apostle John wrote: <<Revelation 1:10,11 - 10On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11 which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.">>

Clearly, the text states that Jesus told John to write down what he saw. In fact it was not only the letters to the Seven Churches, but after those letters Jesus commands John to write again, now this time it was not the letters but ALL John sees with his own eyes: <<Revelation 1:19 - "Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.">>

So as I said before:

John wrote he saw Him, and he wasn’t making this up, otherwise, if John did not see what he wrote about, then John LIED. Then Revelation would be a product of Fiction. And FICTION, besides being entertaining, has no ETERNAL VALUE at all: it does not make one any holier or less holier for reading FICTION.

I also wrote:

Though God disregards human philosophies, He cannot bypass human understanding altogether, otherwise He would be playing tricks on humanity. The same Being that created human brains and their capabilities and limits has to reveal Himself to human beings according to their faculties, otherwise He would be deceiving human beings altogether.

Either the New Testament is a set of writings to be understood with human capabilities, or it becomes a DEVICE, a TRICK BOX only for certain secret and elite initiates to DECODE.

Nope, the GOD of the Universe that I know never stoops to TRICKERY and OUTRIGHT LYING in dealing with humanity, otherwise He could never be known.

If you want to serve a tricky and deceitful god, go ahead you are welcomed to him or it , but the God the Bible simply describes is TRUE and in Him there is no deceit: enough so that any person without GUILE can understand His BOOK .

[conciencia]

Jibaro,

So you would probably attacked Jesus Christ when he talked and helped the Prostitute in those times.

You can easily fit the common sense mentality the Jews often conveyed especially the production of a calf god just because it made sense and peer pressure was stressing the fact.

You probably could have been one of those participants of the construction of the Babel building because "common sense" would prevented to get flooded again.

You probably would be one of those who made fun and critized Noel, because the " El ARCA de Noe) was not written or he was just the minority and seem out of his mind.

You would definetly be one of the clergy that during the crucifixion of Jesus Christ actually wanted and conspired to eliminate the same, just because he was claiming to be the "Son of Jehovah" and the "King of the Earth". Your use of common sense is the same attitude as those who performed such evil acts. They were the religious one who would not admite when they were wrong. They were the one who upto this day still believe the Savior has not even arrived, thus will not even recognize the New Testament, Just because it was not in confrom with their ways......

[El_Jibaro]

You really ran out of lying tricks silly one. I am sorry for you, but "self-righteousness" does not count in the Bible the same as His Righteousness. Only His Righteousness can get you into God's Glory, and that is only attained freely by Faith in the Ressurected Jesus and His Atoning Death: <<I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ--the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.>> Go find this quote on your own time silly trickster.

So if you want to call me "Pharisee" you are barking off the wrong tree, 'cause I have already declared "spiritual chapter 11 bankrupcy" before the only One with resources to bail me out . My righteousness was bought and paid for by Someone who paid with His Own PRICELESS blood.

If pity is shown to the wicked without his learning what Saving Righteousness is, he will act wrongly in the land of Right conduct and not see the majesty of YAHWEH. Isaiah 26:10

I sincerely advice you to go get your portion of Saving Righteousness before your time runs out. By the way, you will not be able to hold on to Saving Righteousness and your bag of tricks at the same time, so I am warning you of the cost: you can't say no one warned you...

PS: As you can see, the only thing I cut and paste are quotes from God's Word and I have no time nor inclination to peruse through the Web in search of someone else's postings. Therefore I have no time to peruse through your clippings of someone else's postings on hearsay about the Trinity, just like I have no time nor inclination to peruse through the Muslim Cleric's lengthy Islamic of someone else's postings.

[conciencia]

Jibarito,

The fact are there in front of you take it of leave it. It is up to you to ignore "Boat". You seem not to have strength left, well it is written, those like you will perish.....

[VictorManuel]

You gentlemen seem to have embarked on a religious journey for only there exists the arguing and fighting options. Look back through history and it will substantiate this. Lose yourselves in what is less meaningful and the devil dances at you grave. look pass your whiskers and see the bigger picture werein lives a bigger truth.
Throw away the labels and free yourselves from conditional thinking. The truth shall indeed set you free.
silly rabbit!

VictorManuel
P.S. with all respects to ya.

[conciencia]

Victor,

Your politeness and your harping music statements are good if you have no mission imposed (Yahwah's will) As a Real Christian (I want no part or want to belong of the new age Christianity) we have the mission from the Almighty to distribute his Word. I am trying to gather and teach the truth meaning from the Almighty Lord Jehovah. The Trinity is such a mystery that there is no way we can gain anymore ground especially the Islamic faith followers. They are gaining so much ground that if they keep it going the way they are Christianity will disappear. Here are some examples of reality checks....

Catholic theologian Hans Küng observes in his book Christianity and the World Religions that the Trinity is one reason why the churches have been unable to make any significant headway with non-Christian peoples. He states: "Even well-informed Muslims simply cannot follow, as the Jews thus far have likewise failed to grasp, the idea of the Trinity. . . . The distinctions made by the doctrine of the Trinity between one God and three hypostases do not satisfy Muslims, who are confused, rather than enlightened, by theological terms derived from Syriac, Greek, and Latin. Muslims find it all a word game. . . . Why should anyone want to add anything to the notion of God's oneness and uniqueness that can only dilute or nullify that oneness and uniqueness?"