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  • The silent culture of fear in the US

    Well, after the whole 9/11 thing it is, to a degree, understandable why the US in now paranoid about every person that crosses the border. But I do think that the US gov. now uses 9/11 as a pretext for putting us into a police state. Beacause we already are one. The gov. can bring you in, if they suspect that you are a terrorist, with out the right to trial or even with out the right to know why you are under arrest. Now, the even greater things is that our King George Jr. wants to give the CIA powers to conduct investigations and arrest US citizens, which at the moment is illigalhttp://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/faq.html#6.

    Freaky to see how Uncle Sam can keep an eye on anyone.

    But yes, the US cannot live with out an enemy. I find it funny to see how wars and conflicts that the US gest invloved in are always presented in the lime light of some greater moral good.
    The Civil War: to end slavery.

    WWI: the war to end all wars.

    WWII: To bring down hitler and save the world from communism

    Vietnam: to stop the spread of communism.

    The Gulf: to liberate Kuwait.

    Well, the US gov has to give the public the impression that its all about some worthy cause. Many people believe it.

    Perhaps it would be a good idea to read a history book and find out how wars are fought for political/economic reasons. Freedom, liberty, and all that are just pretexts.

    The American Revolution?? The american colonials got tired of payeing taxes to the Brits., political independence was to the economic benefit of the richest of the american colonists. It was about money.

    But people are ignorant of their own history. That does not surpise me. Here in the US, in many of the major cities a large chunk of the population is semi-illiterate. Understandable. Unfortunatly, american culture has always has a very anti-intellectual streak in its veins(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0394703170/qid=1093468490/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-6597854-8702417)

    What are the smart kids called here in US schools? Nerds, geeks, dorks, eggheads, queers, and other things that I wont write here. Ever notice how mainstream American culture gives emphasis not on education or critical thinking or analysis but on...entertainment, on fun, on partying.

    Turn on the TV and watch for yourself. The stuff is sickening.

    Anyways, as for the US pushing others around. I believe it so. There is, in my mind no doubt about it.But most people dont see it like that. They dont go to the net, they dont read. They watch TV. I find mainstream TV to be too controled, too politicaly correct. Too censured. I wonder what they might be hiding? Thats why I love the net. I think its the last bastion of freedom that we have here in the US. The net is so big, so anonymous, that to track down every single e-mail or web page that the politicos dont like is just out of reach.

    Yes, we are slowly becoming a watched stated. Perhaps Wells was right.

    [Edited by hvalentin5349 on 27th August 2004 at 03:09]

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    Under the old code based on English Common law, created by the barrister Blackstone in England, the U.S. law always treated an arrested person as innocent until proved guilty. And of course the arrestee had a right to a speedy trial, and also the protection of 'habeus corpus'. No material evidence, then an acquital was necessary and sufficient.

    However all this changed with the ratification by Congress of Bush's Patriot Act. Why Congress did it is no less a mystery than why they voted to give up their constitutional right to be the only legislative body that could declare war. They gave up that right and turned it over to one man, viz. G.W, Bush. Obviously, it is too much for one man on his sole determination to have such a right. The invasion of Iraq proves that.

    But what of all the arrestees that are now sitting in solitary confinement and even being tortured and abused in military prisons? They have only one outstanding voice fighting for their rights on the basis of the old laws of the U.S., pre-Patriot Act vintage. And that organized voice is none other than the Civil Liberties Union. Have they succeeded in getting any amelioration of the predicament of the detainees? Not that I am aware of; does anyone one have any inside information to the contrary on this question?
    E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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    • #3
      Pardon sir, is that a camel that you are wanking?

      The Patriot Act is the best legal weapon we have so far to fight terrorists. I must avow that it has glitches, but that is up to the legal scholars to iron out.

      As any provisions, it is imperfect. But if we didn't have it countless of terrorists would destroy our civilisation as we know it, and our cherished liberties. To claim that we are in a police state is to make a mockery of those who actually lived or live under tyranny (I lived in Spain under Franco, I have lived in Saudi Arabia and China, if the USA under Bush is a police state, then those other three countries were worse than Hell...).

      That wars have multiple motives should be of no surprise. But to deny that the Civil War did indeed end slavery, to deny that Hitler was stopped by the USA entering WWII and that Kuwait was liberated by the Gulf War is, to say the least, foolish.

      David Santos

      Habe nun, ach! Philosophie,
      Juristerei und Medizin
      Und leider auch Theologie
      Durchaus studiert mit heissem Bemuhn.
      Da steh ich nun, ich armer Tor!
      Und bin so klug als wie zuvor.

      Ich bin ein Teil von jener Kraft die stets das Böse will, und stets das Gutte schaft.

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      • #4
        Re: Pardon sir, is that a camel that you are wanking?

        Originally posted by santosda66
        The Patriot Act is the best legal weapon we have so far to fight terrorists. I must avow that it has glitches, but that is up to the legal scholars to iron out..........

        That wars have multiple motives should be of no surprise. But to deny that the Civil War did indeed end slavery, to deny that Hitler was stopped by the USA entering WWII and that Kuwait was liberated by the Gulf War is, to say the least, foolish.

        You haven't made clear who you are replying to. I for one never mentioned a police state, instead the realities of the Patriot Act in comparison to the common law that existed before the enacting of the P.A..Who the hell is wanking a camel...what the hell are you talking about with that metaphor? Moreover in your last sentence namely:

        "That wars have multiple motives should be of no surprise. But to deny that the Civil War did indeed end slavery, to deny that Hitler was stopped by the USA entering WWII and that Kuwait was liberated by the Gulf War is, to say the least, foolish."

        Tell all of us, if you will, what has the Civil War and slavery, Hitler, Kuwait, and you residing in Spain under Franco's dictatorial rule go to do with the theme of this thread? In my honest opinion, it is totally irrelevant to what the author of this thread posted as a topic. You are woefully off the topic, sir...
        E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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        • #5
          Re: Re: Pardon sir, is that a camel that you are wanking?


          Just to remind all of you that the theme of this thread is the "silent fear" that now exists in the U.S..That's the negative in the thread, while the positive can be detected in the fact that fear is good, because it produces CAUTION which is effective in assisting us in reaching our goals, irregardless if it is in a police state or not. Any big shot who says he fears nothing is a fool, and will most likely wind up a dead fool, too.

          HACIA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE BORICUAS, VENCEREMOS!
          SOY PUERTORRIQUENO Y PUNTO; Y REALISTA SOCIAL.
          EDDIE R.
          E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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          • #6
            (In 1933, in the midst of the depression, Hitler's Nazi party won the most seats in the Reichstag (parliament). Shortly after the election the Nazi's set the Reichstag building afire and blamed it on the communists. The communists were expelled from parliament, and the remaining deputies granted Hitler dictatorial powers.)

            I think Hitler was against communism, HValentin. He may have been a member of the Socialists Workers Party but I believe he had his own twisted agenda.

            [Edited by TainoWarriorRPR on 26th August 2004 at 17:17]

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            • #7
              "That wars have multiple motives should be of no surprise. But to deny that the Civil War did indeed end slavery, to deny that Hitler was stopped by the USA entering WWII and that Kuwait was liberated by the Gulf War is, to say the least, foolish."

              I do not deny that the wars that I have mentioned may have had positive outcomes in some respects. But I see them as secondary causes, side effects if you will. I still stand by my point that wars are fought with politica/economical motives in mind.

              I wonder if the US would have entered WWII if the Japanese never attacked Peral Harbour? Before that the US was in a major economic slump due to the stock market crash of 1929. When the US was attacked by the Japanese, the Brits were barely able to withstand the German bombing of London the " blitzkrieg". When the US declared war on Japan affter the Hawaii attack, by extension they also declared war on Japan's buddies-Germany and Italy. The US then quickly came to the aid of the British with supplies, men, etc. Mind you this aid was not $free$, the Brits had to buy the stuff. This helped, in part, to relieve the US economic slupm of the time. Of course the US was more that happy to take advantage of such an opportunity. True, Hilter,s Third reich was taken down- and they did put up a respectable fight-ando so saving the rest of Europe from Hitler-but I still say the main point of the war was politics and money ( what else is new?). By helping the UK and the rest of Europe in that time, the US was able to establish a political foothold in western Europe that continues to this day.

              Keep in mind that after the first world war the American people and its government went into what some might call an isolationist phase. Let the world solve its own problems was the idea. Of course today, the US has become the world police-that can be a good or bad thing depending on how you see it. WWII was a wake up call for the US, a breaking of its little bubble.

              Take our Puerto Rico for instance. Our current political/economic relationship with the US is a product of late 19th century US desire for imperialistic expansion. The US nation at the time was ( and I think still is) coming of age. They wanted to follow the footsteps of its European predecessors-to go out in the world and conquer and form colonies.
              They wanted to be an Empire instead of just a Republic. This with political/economic motives in mind, although there is no doubt that there is always a backdrop of nationalistic pride-or perhaps chest pounding- to go along with it.

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              • #8
                Te conozco bacalao, aunque vengas disfrazao...

                Idiot Marxists have one particular psychological weakness:
                • They love to PROJECT their own moral propensities on others.
                So, when you see a slimy Idiot Marxist say that the Government wants to persecute them, it is the other way around:
                • They want to persecute innocent law abiding citizens.


                After all, the
                Gulag Archipelago killed around 30 million people in the former Soviet Union, and no other type of government in the whole Earth has been as prone to persecute innocent people like such Marxist Utopias...








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                • #9
                  Terrorism Self Test

                  If you can answer yes to one or more of the following questions in the affirmative, then the Patriotic Act was passed for you.

                  1. Have you recently crossed the Texas - Mexico border heading to Mexico with a large amount of Bulk cash obtained from the sale of contraband?
                  2. Do you hide hundreds of credit card profiles in a pocket drive that you then upload to a laptop?.
                  3. Are you taking fying lessons and only interested in keep the plane in the air on a straight trajectory?
                  4. Do you have 14 names, dates of births, social security numbers and 14 mothers?
                  5. Do you own an S corporation whose only goal is to earn money that is then wired to Yemen?
                  6. Are you an overstay on an B1/B2 Visa, which expired a long time ago?

                  If you answered yes to two or more of any of these questions then you may very well be a terrorist. If this is the case be prepared for what's coming to the front door near you. If you answered yes to one question, we are going to have to check you out?

                  If you answered no to these questions then you have nothing to fear and should send your local congressman an Email thanking him or her for her support of the Patriot Act.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Te conozco bacalao, aunque vengas disfrazao...

                    Originally posted by El_Jibaro
                    Idiot Marxists have one particular psychological weakness:
                    • They love to PROJECT their own moral propensities on others.
                    So, when you see a slimy Idiot Marxist say that the Government wants to persecute them, it is the other way around:
                    • They want to persecute innocent law abiding citizens.


                    After all, the
                    Gulag Archipelago killed around 30 million people in the former Soviet Union, and no other type of government in the whole Earth has been as prone to persecute innocent people like such Marxist Utopias...

                    Now, do the figures for how many people died in CAPITALIST DEMOCRACIES. Murdered for MONEY, DRUGS, HATE CRIMES, etc. Slavery has murdered most of the Americas' indigenous population and then there are the African's thrown off ships, hung, their entire lives taken up by service for FREE to Capitalist Democratic types. The U.S. alone has a Constitution that hardly recognized the civil rights of many people. I am AfroPuertoRican. I am sure my ancestors didn't have it easy under the Spaniards either.

                    Bush alone has killed a whole lot of people in less than 1 year. Hitler about 6 million or so. Imaginate.

                    [Edited by TainoWarriorRPR on 27th August 2004 at 10:25]

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                    • #11
                      Oops, I forgot to mention the SECOND greatest mental weakness of Marxists.

                      Marxist Idiots have another psychotic weakness to which they are prone to, besides PROJECTION, and that is that they can't handle FACTS and FIGURES. For example, the idiot above me says that Hitler killed 6 million Jews in WW2, but he can only make the hyperinflated assertion that BUSH killed more than that in less than a year.
                      • Not even the most vitriolic Democrat says such a stupid thing, since there is no way that more than 10,000 people have died in the WAR AGAINST TERROR.
                      So as you can see Valentin, your
                      Marxist Comrade does not even know that 10,000 is MUCH LESS THAN 6,000,000. Perhaps the bonehead doesn't know how to count zeros .

                      FACTS are FACTS, and
                      Marxist Idiots can't handle THEM, or perhaps worse, they deliberately avoid THEM, which would mean that Marxist Idiots hate the TRUTH.
                      • When you shine the light in your basement the vermin scurry and hide, when you shine the FACTS on the face of
                      • Marxist Idiots, they scurry, hide and shriek in horror.


                      Yep, the life of a
                      Marxist Idiot is a very sad existence indeed .






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