Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Question for everybody

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Question for everybody

    There are 2 elections coming up, Gov. of Puerto Rico and Pres. of the U.S.
    Suppose you had the magic power to pick the winner of one of these elections, but if you did, your least favorite candidate would win the other election.
    What would you do?
    1)Pick a winner?
    2)Do nothing.
    3)Why?

  • #2
    Originally posted by laplaya
    There are 2 elections coming up, Gov. of Puerto Rico and Pres. of the U.S.
    Suppose you had the magic power to pick the winner of one of these elections, but if you did, your least favorite candidate would win the other election.
    What would you do?
    1)Pick a winner?
    2)Do nothing.
    3)Why?
    Well, if I were a political wizard, Berrios Martinez would be the next 'gobernador de Puerto Rico'; why, because he is the best man for the job given the concrete conditions, i.e., the real mess that Puerto Rico is in. P.R. is now over a century a colony of the U.S., and is still at square one since 1898 in that P.R. is still an unincorporated territory of the U.S. -- still a posession of the U.S., call it a commonwealth if you wish, but it is nevertheless still a possession of the U.S..

    As for the other election, Bush would be the winner; he is the least of the candidates IMHO, and not a favorite of mine in any way, shape, nor form. He is a dictator, that has the U.S. Armed forces as his private army, because on his sole determination he can order the Armed Forces to do anything, anywhere, in the world based solely and only on his own determination -- with no verification needed from the U.S. Congress. The Congress are window store dummies, who show up all dressed to kill and simply to pick up their paychecks. They deserve what I called them, because those dummies voted away their constitutional rights to be the only legislative power that had the right to declare war. The executive, viz. the Pres., if he wanted a war in those days had to ply the Congress to get his 'druthers' to go to war. Now, a dictator, like a Caesar or an Atilla the Hun in high tech, sits in the oval office, and through any type of trickery or FORCE can get the country to do whatever he wishes. BTW, that is why I opine that Bush will win the next election -- be it by hook or crook and the application of the force of his dictatorial powers. Democracy is dead in the United States, make no mistake about that!
    E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

    Comment


    • #3
      Bush is not into Debates, but then........

      [QUOTE]Originally posted by laplaya
      [B]There are 2 elections coming up, Gov. of Puerto Rico and Pres. of the U.S.
      Suppose you had the magic power to pick the winner of one of these elections, but if you did, your least favorite candidate would win the other election.
      What would you do?
      1)Pick a winner?
      2)Do nothing.
      3)Why?
      _______________________________________________________________

      Dear Laplaya: I do not know if you did some research before you posed this question, but it seems this has happened often between those that are both Puerto Ricans and involved in US Politics. When the Republicans (Nuevo Progresistas) win in Puerto Rico, the Democrats win in the White House, when the Democrats (Populares) win in Puerto Rico, the Republicans win in the White House. So, here is my answer.

      In Puerto Rico I have always voted for Ruben Berrios and the PIP. I have never won, since I joined the PIP in 1962.
      I would like to win in Puerto Rico with Ruben, because frankly, I vote in the US in a state that is republican and there I always loose. But since I do not have third party candidates to vote for, and since when I have a chance I go for the third party candidate, such as the Green Party, I always loose anyway. So I just make sure people hear what I have to say about the candidates, Y si no estoy "boycotiando" las elecciones, and if I wish to vote, then I call myself, in the state in which I reside, "A yellow dog Democrat" (that means that I would rather vote for a yellow dog-un perro cobarde, than vote for a Republican). So the answer is, yes. I would vote for Ruben to win the elections in PR and then deal with our PIP agenda, here in gringolandia, no matter who wins, como siempre lo he hecho!

      Yautia

      Comment


      • #4
        Elections in US and PR

        La Playa, if I had the magic power to choose I would rather use it on myself than waste it with these terrible candidates we get these days; when we seem to vote always for the lesser of 2 evils. You don't mind, do you?

        I agree with Er, as much as we despise Bush, Cesar has it all wrapped-up. Bible, gun, race and fear neatly packed together.

        I also agree with Yautia, even tough I have never been an independentista when I resided in PR; I have been a Puertorriquenista, If you get my meaning? Whoever gets elected in PR, people, it does not matter, son Virreyes. Who runs the store?(see paragraph above).

        Democracy IS in grave danger... indeed!





        [Edited by Yujike on 9th October 2004 at 08:34]

        Comment


        • #5
          The magic wand?

          Laplaya, as you know magic wand and fantasies has little to do with real world politics. It is more about money, power and control. But, if I could wave the magic wand, I would want a strong, independent Republic of Puerto Rico with excellent educational opportunities, preservation of the environment, cutting edge technology based on clean and renewable energy sources, strong relationships with the rest of Latin America, and the working man in control of gov't policy. I like Eddier's Scientific Socialist plan. It is practical, down to earth, fair and doable. Not withstanding I would vote for Berrios too. Out of the three possible candidates he is the best. No question about it.

          In terms of the USA Bush is likely to win. I think he will invade more nations, spend out of control, cut taxes only for the extremely obscenely wealthy members, pollute the environment, leave all the children behind and illiterate and Learning disabled, he will draft young people if necessary to complete his agenda (see Jose Nestor's post in here about the Bush legislation and draft coming back even though it might spell political suicide in the future). He will bankrupt the seniors social security, will talk and talk and lie and lie. And he will leave the USA gov't in 2008 in really bad shape. But I say each nation has to deal with who they allow to control gov't. And there are enough fearful people who are bible thumpers, and believe in all that stuff to vote for him and the ones who don't vote for him will have the dirty tricks applied to them any which way they can. Democracy is dead in the USA it is true. The ones who are gonna be happy are the defense industry manufacturers, outsourcing companies, Carlyle group members, and the ultra rich in the USA. They are going to enjoy the next four years. The average joe and jane? They and their grandchildren and great grandchildren are going to paying for all these oil wars and power wars for many many years.

          Suki.

          [Edited by Suki on 9th October 2004 at 05:51]

          Comment


          • #6
            Why are suki, eddier and yautia so upset that "Bush is a dictator" and "democracy is dead"?

            You're all either Socialists or Communists, neither ideology particularly friendly to Democracy or Representative Republics. So what the hell are you all crying about?

            Communism is all about ONE DICTATOR WITH HIS OWN PRIVATE MILITARY ruling over everbody else. Isn't that what you guys have always been fighting for? It seems to me that if Bush was indeed the dictator you all claim him to be, and democracy really was dead, then you all should be dancing a victory perreo. You should be marching down the streets carrying BUSH for COMANDANTE signs. There is no bill of rights in a communist society, so why the hell are you so concerned with the supposed violation of something that, had you had your way, would NEVER EXIST to begin with?

            Make up your minds. Are you pro-democracy, civil rights and constitution, or are you socialists and communists?

            You CAN'T BE BOTH.

            Comment


            • #7
              Opp Opp,
              GET AN EDUCATION, if you did you might learn something, instead of spouting stupidity. Lol.

              Civil Rights, democratic values and equality and seeking justice for the working people in the world is not represented by ELITE or FASCISTS. And the elite fascists are all about what you represent OPP. And I still think you need an education. You are totally ignorant about what socialism, democracy and Communism is about. You've been brain washed. And your flip floppy skitzoid name says it all. Lol.

              Suki.

              Comment


              • #8
                here we go again

                Suki, lol.

                Why lol do you keep putting lol words into my lol mouth? I never said Elitists and Fascists represent working people or democratic values.lol. you're arguing a point lol that no one lol has made, lol. I said that COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM do not represent democratic values. I said that communism and socialism are DICTATORSHIPS where civil rights are NON EXISTANT and the MILITARY is at the complete control of the DICTATOR. This is a system that YOUR IDEOLOGY FAVORS, so why do you criticize Bush for supposedly doing EXACTLY what YOUR PREFERRED SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT WOULD DO?

                Please answer that question instead of making up things I never said.

                ps: lol

                Comment


                • #9
                  Jim,
                  I have been reading your 'opinions' for three years, on and off. And I have to come to the conclusion that you are not interested in answers with content. You are just plain intransigent. So why attempt to answer you Jim? Do you get my drift. When someone who actually already goes to politicsforum.org and gets an education on politics that is solid and not invalid (like yours is), and then comes back and decides to dialog with civility, then yes, we can dialog. But why waste time when you don't and can't understand really basic stuff? Do you honestly think I should waste an hour of a gorgeous Saturday at the computer writing a fine description of what is Socialism, and how it emerged? And why it emerged Opp? Because political systems don't come from nothing. Neither do economic systems. They don't come from nothing either. There are historical precedents for it. And then take time to painstakingly describe the beginnings of Capitalism and why it replaced the older system of feudalism, or have Eddie do it for you (I am sure he would have if he thought you worth his time). And then describe Communism. And the historical circumstances of its emergence and then the Russians and the Chinese and etc. Has it ever occurred to you Opp, that in order for someone to live in Capitalism in the USA and be a Communist or a socialist and be non-majority in 'perspective' one has to study hard, and work hard at it? because the majority go along with the mainstream? And in order to get on some forum and debate your points in politics you need to have what is called agreed upon concepts and premises in order for points to be made and exchanged and understood? Has it occurred to you that no matter which country's history you study whether it be the USA's or Russia's or China's or Mexico's or whoever, that you need to study a whole lot of information. The customs, the language, the wars, the powerful the humble, the lifestyles, the religions, the economics and the land and the ethos? And see why they become who they become? In order to do that you got to put in the time. Same with politics. And economic theory.

                  Civil rights? You think you know about civil rights? Lol. Opp the truth is why should anybody even Laplaya who doesn't know you very well and is a typical PIP person, why should he take time out and answer you, when you have consistently demonstrated to refuse flatly to accept what so many understand as BASICS in economics and social science. You can disagree. That is completely acceptable. But you don't disagree Opp. You don't. You have basic premises that people from the entire political spectrum know is JUST NOT TRUE. And you want that to be true. It is not. Go to politicsforum.org and hit all the political forums one by one. Say, "What is Socialism isn't it in direct contradiction to democracy? Yes or No. I need to know." And they will answer you. When you get all the answers from the entire group and there is agreed upon concepts and you learn them. Then you can come back and start arguing your points. Up to now, you don't. So why waste time? Why?

                  Suki.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: The magic wand?

                    Originally posted by Suki
                    ...(see Jose Nestor's post in here about the Bush legislation and draft coming back even though it might spell political suicide in the future).
                    Hi folks.

                    I'd like to read Jose's post regarding the draft. Where is it?

                    President Bush CLEARLY stated that there will be NO DRAFT during last night's debate. Who here did not understand that statement?

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Entre la espada y la pared

                      Political polemics are not my forte, and I stay out of them as much as I can. However, I found the following satire really funny. You need a good audio card and good internet speed to watch it. Enjoy!


                      http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/conte.../frameset.html
                      David Santos

                      Habe nun, ach! Philosophie,
                      Juristerei und Medizin
                      Und leider auch Theologie
                      Durchaus studiert mit heissem Bemuhn.
                      Da steh ich nun, ich armer Tor!
                      Und bin so klug als wie zuvor.

                      Ich bin ein Teil von jener Kraft die stets das Böse will, und stets das Gutte schaft.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Yeah, that's pretty funny. The JibJab folks have a new one out that is equally entertaining. They showed it on one of the cable news channels yesterday.(!) I don't have a link though.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Opp-Opp wrote:
                          "Communism is all about ONE DICTATOR WITH HIS OWN PRIVATE MILITARY ruling over everbody else. Isn't that what you guys have always been fighting for?"
                          ****************************************************
                          No!, and by your false definition of it, you make Bush a fascist and not a commie, and of course he has his bible, evangelicism, fear, and private armed forces to throw in your stupid face.

                          If you are for Bush, know this!: that Bush is NOT in your stupid face, nor even if you claim to be a Republican is he in your benighted head full of ignorance.

                          You're the type of guy that never learns anything; you are ineducable and continue with your contradictions from day one you appeared on this forum. Even your screenname is a contradiction, but the real problem with you is that you never resolve your contradictions, you never achieve a synthesis of opposites (an antithesis in its unity), and now your latest idiocy is a definition of Bush that is not communist but instead fascist!

                          Bush is a dictator and fascism fits him, but you can't equate that with communism which is the diametrical opposite of fascism as history showed, and which you can never understand or even get it as an option into your head -- 'el porque tan lleno de mierda y basofia esta tu cabeza'.

                          AGARREN EL DIA BORICUAS, VENCEREMOS!
                          SOY PUERTORRIQUENO Y PUNTO; Y REALISTA SOCIAL
                          EDDIE R.








                          E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: Re: The magic wand?

                            Originally posted by PuercoGrande
                            Originally posted by Suki
                            ...(see Jose Nestor's post in here about the Bush legislation and draft coming back even though it might spell political suicide in the future).
                            Hi folks.

                            I'd like to read Jose's post regarding the draft. Where is it?

                            President Bush CLEARLY stated that there will be NO DRAFT during last night's debate. Who here did not understand that statement?
                            He also said that Iraq had WMD's, non were found. He said there is a connection between Iraq and ALqaeda, non were found in the 9 11 report. The war on terror is not with Iraq, is with Osama. The real fu(ker was never found, we have Saddam, a brutal bastard, but sadly has nothing to do with Sep 11. I lost my trust in him especially with all the fishy things going on. I just lost my trust in him, period. No draft he says? well whatever.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I understand the point you're trying to make, Joshue.

                              The fact is that all this "draft" crap is a completely false internet rumor with NO basis in fact. That fat pig congressman from New York is partly to blame because of the legislation he introduced calling for mandatory military service.

                              Anyways, there's no shortage of volunteers in the US who are willing to stomp some terrorist ass. And many of them are Puerto Rican.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X