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  • We Were Wrong to Go to Iraq and We Need to Fix What We Did!

    I wrote this post for another thread, but I thought it needed it's own thread, just to piss you off.

    We were wrong in Iraq and we need to fix what we did- By Jim, the oppressed_oppressor.

    I think that in order to rectify the horrible injustice committed in Iraq, the U.S. should do the following:

    1) Rebuild everything destroyed by our imperialist war.And since ressurecting the tens of millions, maybe even gazillions of "innocent civilians" we so ruthlessly murdered is impossible, we need to replace his population with some other country's people. People who are used to being oppressed, of course, just to avoid culture shock. Maybe some Cubans, or Sudanese Christians, or Tibetan Monks,or better yet, some Puerto Ricans with oppression already "burned" into their DNA. You know who you are...I'll post a link to the "Help repopulate Saddam's" website for you to sign up online. It's fast! It's easy! It's your DREAM COME TRUE!

    2) Recreate the Republican Guard, the Fedayeen Saddam, and the Iraqi military. Train them, and give them nukes.

    3) Rebuild the Iraqi Air Force, and just for kicks, build them a navy.

    4) Restore Saddam's palaces. I suggest using bricks from already constructed schools and hospitals. I mean, hell, there won't be any use for them after we re-install Saddam, right?

    5) Replace all the Saddam statues, murals and posters
    that were destroyed by our troops. Send a few American artists over to play live at the statues' re-declaration ceremonies. Maybe Bruce Springsteen, and the Dixie Chicks.

    6) Re-imprison pre-war anti-Saddam Iraqis. Break their ribs and cut off there fingers, to make up for lost prison time.

    7) Extract DNA from the rotting corpses of Uday and Qusay
    Hussein, clone them, and then turn over the Iraqi Olympic Soccer team to them, so they can torture and kill them for not winning the gold. Fix Udays teeth while we're at it. Give him some bling. Maybe some gold teeth or a diamond implant?

    8) Return Saddam to power and rebuild the WMD programs we so rudely interrupted when we insisted he let weapons inspectors in. I mean, do you know how hard it is to have to stop what you're doing every time some nosey weapons inspector comes knocking at your door? It's "hide the centrifuge", "move the lab", "bury the chemicals", "shoot the scientist's cousin to keep him quiet"'s hard work and very expensive.

    9) Bomb Kuwait and turn it over to Saddam. After all, THAT war met ALL of Kerry's requirements and he STILL voted against it. And we all know how right Kerry is. Returning Kuwait to Saddam is the only fair thing to do.

    10) Apologize to France and China and Russia and Germany and Kofi Anan and his new-millionaire son for disrupting their little Iraqi "cash-cow, skim-off-the-top, I'll pay you to oppose the U.S.", Oil for food program.

    11) and then, when all is right in the world, go back and Bomb the REAL 9-11 terrorists. Israel and George W Bush... And Halliburton...and Jerry Falwell...and the Masons...and

  • #2
    Hispanic soldiers pay a bloody toll in Iraq
    By Miriam Kagan
    Updated Oct 5, 2003, 07:09 pm

    Casualties in Iraq; The Untold Story (

    Latinos, Mexicans targeted to man the front lines in war on terror (Independent)

    Military families vent frustration over unproven claims(

    A U.S. army tank is positioned outside the Aike Hotel following a bomb explosion early Sept. 25 at the facility in central Baghdad.
    WASHINGTON (IPS/GIN) - One of the first U.S. soldiers to die in Iraq, Jose Gutierrez, was an orphaned Guatemalan who at the time of his death was not even an American citizen.

    As U.S. casualties in Iraq continue to mount, so does the worry in the country’s Latino community that its children are dying in unusually high numbers and are being lured into dangerous service with targeted recruiting by the Armed Forces.

    Many in the community worry that Hispanic men and women are being disproportionately exposed to risk and sent to the front lines.

    According to the Pew Hispanic Center, while Latinos make up 9.5 percent of the actively enlisted forces, they are over-represented in the categories that get the most dangerous assignments—infantry, gun crews and seamanship—and make up over 17.5 percent of the front lines.

    These worries have been exacerbated during the recent conflict in Iraq. As of August 28, Department of Defense (DOD) statistics show a casualty rate of more than 13 percent for people of Hispanic background serving in Iraq.

    The casualty rate for Hispanics during the Iraqi engagement has been "unfortunate and tragic," says Teresa Gutierrez of Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER).

    "The people who are fighting the war are youths who cannot find jobs or afford university fees, because there is an economic draft in the army that is particularly relevant to Latinos," she told IPS.

    Recent census numbers reveal why the U.S. government might be interested in specifically targeting Latinos.

    According to the 2000 Census, Latinos have surpassed African Americans as the largest minority group in the country. Hispanics now comprise 12.5 percent of the U.S. population, and are the fastest growing minority.

    In 2000, one in seven 18-year-olds was of Hispanic origin, a number that is expected to climb to more than one in five during the next 15 years, found the census.

    Also, more than 50 percent of the Hispanic population (almost 18 million people) lived in Texas and California, states that are historically large recruitment centers for the Armed Forces.

    While DOD officials denied knowledge of any program specifically targeted at Latinos, past actions by the U.S. government paint a different story.

    According to The Army Times newspaper, in 2001 Army Brigadier General Bernardo C. Negrete told a DOD audience: "We’ve made significant improvement by going after Hispanics in a manner we’ve never done before."

    Mr. Negrete’s plans called for achieving that parity by 2006.

    Another tactic suspected of targeting Hispanics is an executive order signed by President George W. Bush in July 2002, expediting naturalization for aliens and non-citizen nationals who serve in active-duty status during the administration’s "war on terrorism."

    The order, effective for all military personnel who enlisted after Sept. 11, 2001, allows non-citizens to apply for citizenship immediately upon arrival at their first military base, rather than having to wait the usual three to four years.

    According to Pres. Bush, persons "serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces" do a service to their new country, so they should be granted citizenship more quickly than via regular channels.

    DOD numbers reveal 35,000 non-citizens currently in the active Armed Forces, 15,000 of whom became eligible for expedited naturalization under the executive order.

    Department officials strenuously denied that the order was targeted at the Hispanic population.

    While two Army recruiters in the Washington area denied using the expedited citizenship order as a selling point during recruitment pitches, both told IPS that they mention the "benefit" as one part of the recruitment package.

    But both recruiters insisted that no potential recruits had asked for expedited citizenship and that Latinos who express interest in joining the military do so for "patriotic reasons."

    One recruiter did say that, since the executive order was passed, his office had seen a sharp increase in applications from people of Hispanic background. But both recruiters denied targeting Latinos, and said they were unaware of any policies specifically targeted at that group.

    A DOD official told IPS that while he was not "aware of any particular effort to recruit any particular ethnic group, there are programs that appeal to certain groups."

    Mr. Gutierrez said that any DOD official who denies the existence of targeted ethnic recruiting needs only to "check their own website and promotional materials."

    While only 12 percent of Latinos in the United States ever qualify for a university education, she lamented, many are recruited into the Armed Forces with promises of financial help and job security.

    According to Mr. Gutierrez, once recruited, many qualified applicants stay in the military, foregoing college.

    "What can we say of the young Latino men who sacrificed their lives in Iraq?" asked Jorge Mariscal, a professor at the University of California, San Diego, in the April 18, 2003 issue of Counterpunch.

    "That they fought without knowing their enemy, played their role as pawns in a geopolitical chess game devised by arrogant bureaucrats, and died simply trying to get an education; trying to have a fair shot at the American Dream that has eluded the vast majority of Latinos for over a century and a half."

    If you talk to God, you are praying; if God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.
    Thomas Szasz


    • #3
      Lord, please give us our daily news from Iraq, even on Fox News

      FOX NEWS
      Iraq Green Zone Attack Kills Three Americans
      Thursday, October 14, 2004

      BAGHDAD, Iraq — Insurgents penetrated Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone (search) and set off bombs at a market and a popular cafe Thursday, killing five people, including three Americans, the U.S. military said, in a bold attack on the compound housing the U.S. and Iraqi government headquarters.

      A top Iraqi official said the attacks appeared to have been a "suicide operation." If so, it would be the first time insurgents have successfully infiltrated and set off bombs in the heart of the U.S.-Iraqi leadership of the country.

      Tawhid and Jihad (search), the militant group of Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search) claimed responsibility for the blasts, saying they were "martyrdom" or suicide attacks.

      "By the grace of God, two lions of the 'Martyrdom Brigade' affiliated with the military wing of Tawhid and Jihad were successful in entering the base of the American Embassy inside the Green Zone in the capital Baghdad," the statement said.

      Also Thursday, an American soldier was killed by a roadside bomb in eastern Baghdad, the military said. As of Wednesday, 1,081 U.S. servicemen had been killed in Iraq since March 2003, according to a Defense Department count.

      The Green Zone attack raised fears over security in the compound and underscored militants' ability to strike in the capital even as U.S.-Iraqi forces are carrying out a new offensive to suppress them in other parts of the country ahead of January elections.

      The Green Zone is a four square-mile district of central Baghdad surrounded by barricades and checkpoints that houses the Iraqi government, the U.S. Embassy, and residences, restaurants and entertainment facilities for the hundreds of Americans working there. It is also home to some 10,000 Iraqis, who need IDs to move in and out of the area.

      Insurgents have frequently fired mortar rounds at the compound, and there have been a number of deadly car bombings at its gates. But this was the first time a bomb was successfully brought in and detonated.

      One bomb ripped through an outdoor bazaar that caters to Westerners, selling everything from mobile phone accessories to pornographic DVDs.

      The second blast took place at the Green Zone Cafe (search), a popular hangout for Americans and other Westerners. Last week, an improvised bomb was found and safely defused at the same cafe.

      A U.S. military statement said the bombs were "hand-carried" into the zone. It said five people were killed in the blasts, including three Americans. Eighteen people were wounded, including two American soldiers and two American civilians. Officials did not release the nationalities of the other dead and wounded.

      Iraq's national security adviser Qassem Dawoud said "initial information" indicated the attacks were suicide bombings. "This cowardly act will not go unpunished," he told a news briefing at the Green Zone. "We will strike them wherever they are."

      After the blasts, the U.S. Embassy "strongly encouraged" Americans in the Green Zone to avoid the bazaar and restaurants inside the compound, limit their movements, travel in groups and carry several means of communication.

      Al-Zarqawi's Tawhid and Jihad group has claimed a series of bloody bombings across the country as well as the kidnapping and beheading of a number of foreign hostages — including three Americans.

      Another group, the Ansar al-Sunnah Army (search) posted a video Thursday on the Web showing the beheading of a man identified as a Turkish driver. The same group has previously claimed to have killed another Turk and 12 Nepalese hostages.

      More than 150 foreigners have been kidnapped in Iraq since the insurgency began after the U.S.-led overthrow of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein in April last year.

      Elsewhere, U.S. forces stepped up raids before the Muslim holy month of Ramadan (search), trading fire with militants in the Sunni stronghold of Ramadi (search) and detaining 10 people, including two suspected insurgent leaders, in a sweep of Baqouba.

      Eight people were killed and 17 wounded in the Ramadi clashes, hospital officials said.

      U.S. troops swept into the city early Wednesday, residents said. Rebels fought back with gunfire and mortar blasts. Three mortar rounds, apparently aimed at city hall, slammed into a nearby house, killing two people, said Dr. Alaa al-Aani of Ramadi General Hospital.

      The gunfire in Ramadi subsided Thursday morning and U.S. forces withdrew from the city center, residents said. The military had no immediate comment on the clashes.

      U.S. forces are trying to step up pressure on Sunni insurgents ahead of Ramadan, which begins Friday. Last year, its start saw a significant increase in insurgent attacks in Baghdad and elsewhere.

      Some extremists believe they earn a special place in paradise if they die in a jihad, or holy war, during Ramadan. The monthlong holiday of fasting marks the time when Muslims believe God revealed their holy book — the Quran — to the Prophet Muhammad.

      On Wednesday, interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi (search) warned residents of the insurgent bastion of Fallujah to hand over al-Zarqawi or face attack. Allawi's government has been negotiating with Fallujah city leaders to try to bring the city under the control of Iraqi security forces.

      Loud explosions were heard in Fallujah on Thursday as U.S. warplanes roared overhead, residents said. A house in the northern part of the city was flattened and others damaged, they said. One wounded man was taken to the city hospital.

      A Fallujah negotiator, Hatem Karim, challenged claims that al-Zarqawi is in the city. "We want to know what evidence there is of al-Zarqawi's presence in Fallujah," Karim said in an interview with Al-Jazeera television. "We hear this name, but it doesn't exist. More than 15 to 20 houses were destroyed in Fallujah because they were accused of harboring al-Zarqawi or al-Zarqawi's followers."

      He said Iraqi government officials never raised the issue of al-Zarqawi during closed-door talks with the Fallujah delegates.

      Earlier Wednesday, Fallujah's chief negotiator, Sheik Khaled al-Jumeili, insisted there were "only a handful" of non-Iraqi Arab fighters in the city — a claim the Americans dismiss — and they would leave if a deal was reached with the government.

      In other developments Thursday:

      — A female Iraqi television journalist was killed in a drive-by shooting in Baghdad, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said. The journalist was identified as Dina Mahmoud, who was working for Kurdish-run Al-Hurriya TV, said the station's director Nawrooz Mohammed.

      — Gunmen killed two new Iraqi Army officers in a drive-by shooting in Baqouba as they headed to work, said Iraqi Interior Ministry spokesman Col. Adnan Abdul Rahman. The two had also served in the army during Saddam Hussein's regime, he said. A day earlier, a police captain was killed in a drive-by shooting in the city.

      — A roadside bomb hit an Iraqi National Guard convoy in the northern city of Mosul, wounding six Iraqi soldiers, the U.S. military said. Several hours later, a bomb went off targeting an American convoy, causing no U.S. casualties, the military said. Two Iraqi bystanders were killed, one in each blast, hospital officials said.