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  • Kerry Has Done His Part-Now Is Up To You

    Senator Kerry performed admirably in all three debates under rules agreed to by the Bush campaign. Bush showed time after time his inability to think on his own, or on his feet; his lack of grasp of domestic and foreign policy issues; and his one-track mind -- I don't make mistakes attitude; and his willingness to put his personal beliefs and interest in front of those of the people. Kerry laid out his plan for governing our country and bringing back economic stability, refocusing efforts to improve civil rights, health care, affirmative action, and economic conditions in the US.

    Most polls show that Kerry has the lead in the popular vote; they also show that Kerry inequivocately won all three debate with Bush; unfortunately, our constitution does not consider the popular vote when electing a president...

    Bush has a slight lead in the electoral college vote. This means that if Kerry supporters do not vote or are disenfranchised in states such as Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Arizona, New Jersey, Michigan, etc., we could have a repeat of the 2000 election. Once again we would elect a president, not of the people, but of the electoral colleges.

    These states all have large Latino populations. It may very well be up to us to re-establish the will of the majority, while gaining more political stature for our own issues. As a Latino(a) it is very important that you vote on November 2; if you happen to live in a swing state, it is imperative that you vote on November 2.

    Do not let the figures (polls) the press is putting out showing Kerry ahead make you loose interest in voting. We are behind, but not by much, and each of us will make a difference on November 2, and true democracy will be brought back to our nation.

    Josť

  • #2
    Jose

    Jose, I think Bush won the last two debates! Kerry for tax hikes and committed to especially taxing the rich! From hearing him speak, one would think that Democrats can't find work, in a low unemployment society, and the his government is going to give them something! He should be encouraging people to work harder and make better decisions about their success.

    He said he was a Romaan Catholic and was an Altar Boy...then he proceeded to say he disagreed with the Bishops and the Church on abortion, and Gay Lesbian Rights, then he took a cheap shot at VP Cheney's daughter about her sexuality. He should have used his large number of Gay/Supporters. The President's answere about marriagne was enourmously noble!

    I don't understand how any real Christian could vote for Kerry's positions. Therefore, I will be voting early on Nov 2nd and pray for a victory in this tight battle. PS. After the statements he made upon his return from Vietnam, which led the the beating of our prisioners of war, I can't see how any veteran could vote for Kerry.

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    • #3
      The problem in the swing vote states

      [QUOTE]Originally posted by Rivera33
      [B]Jose, I think Bush won the last two debates! Kerry for tax hikes and committed to especially taxing the rich! From hearing him speak, one would think that Democrats can't find work, in a low unemployment society, and the his government is going to give them something! He should be encouraging people to work harder and make better decisions about their success.

      He said he was a Romaan Catholic and was an Altar Boy...then he proceeded to say he disagreed with the Bishops and the Church on abortion, and Gay Lesbian Rights, then he took a cheap shot at VP Cheney's daughter about her sexuality. He should have used his large number of Gay/Supporters. The President's answere about marriagne was enourmously noble!

      I don't understand how any real Christian could vote for Kerry's positions. Therefore, I will be voting early on Nov 2nd and pray for a victory in this tight battle. PS. After the statements he made upon his return from Vietnam, which led the the beating of our prisioners of war, I can't see how any veteran could vote for Kerry.
      _____________________________________________________________

      There is a consensus, Kerry won, but so what? He beat Bush on the faith question, but even if Bush lost, his right wing, the religious "born again" mob will still vote for him.

      If you dont understand how any "real Christians" could vote for Kerry then you don't understand the baby boomers. And you don't understand the Veterans from Vietnam, they are very upset at Bush, a lot has to do with how little attention this administration has paid to the needs of Veterans in the US. They are in real bad shape, have lots of unmet needs and many are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress!

      In addition most of them feel they have not many choices
      one is a chicken hawk, the other won't stand firm against
      the war in Iraq. Many Vets. have very strong feelings against both wars.

      Yautia

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      • #4
        Yautia

        Well, I believe Bush won two and three. Based on what I believe in, Bush was the only one to tell it like it is. Kerry's response about Christianity showed how far away from real faith he is living. I respect you Yautia, we have a lot in common in other areas of our life but not with this one. I expect a Bush win. But if by chance he loses, we will continue to be friends despite the strength of our differences on issues.

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        • #5
          Rivera33,

          It is amazing to me (although I understand it) that you do not yet see that Bush is the biggest danger you have yet seen in your lifetime to the very things you hold so dear.

          There is no more precious gift than that of civil rights. The minimization, threat, weakening, interpreting of a hard-earned constitutional right is a brutal stab at freedom.

          This election is not about terrorism, nor immigration, nor gays, nor abortion, not even religion; this election is about the Supreme Court, and what Bush's would be nominees over the next four years will do to our civil rights over the next 20 to 30 years. This is the one question Bush has truly hidden from, even though he was asked time after time, both he and his machine repeat the same mantra, there will be "no litmus test."

          The very separation of government and religion is what protects religion. Fundamentalist governments and their repression litter the planet. To titter on the edge of that knive is a very dangerous game we cannot afford to play in the most important democracy. To play with that fundamental believe by attempting to legislate religious-based beliefs on the people is not only unconstitutional, but unamerican.

          The dangers extend into many different aspects of civil rights, from affirmative action, to education, to segregation, to immigration, etc. The next 20 - 30 years will challenge our nation in ways we can only begin to imagine. To repress our ability to deal with change by holding on to biased values is dangerous.

          I began this reply by stating that there is no more precious gift than a civil right. I will conclude by saying that there is no bigger pain than losing them. This pain is particularly harsh for freedom loving people, no matter what belief (or lack thereof), color, race, sexual orientation, or sex.

          You have your beliefs. I sum all of mine in one: freedom.

          Freedom is why we as Latinos must exercise our right to vote on November 2 and gurantee our rights be preserved for our children, and their children.

          Jose

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          • #6
            "He said he was a Romaan Catholic and was an Altar Boy...then he proceeded to say he disagreed with the Bishops and the Church on abortion, and Gay Lesbian Rights, then he took a cheap shot at VP Cheney's daughter about her sexuality. He should have used his large number of Gay/Supporters."

            Rivera:

            I dont quite agree with you on this part. Because of the fact that you are Catholic, doesnt mean that you have to follow everything the Church says. Kerry NEVER stated that he had a personal opinion about abortion, he simply stated that he thought women should have pro choice. He said that he personally doesnt condone it, but does support the women to choose their own decisions.

            Another point is, in recent studies it have shown that someone who is homosexual, is just as normal as the rest of us, who are heterosexual. It acutally has something to do in their brain and that is why they choose to have a sexual preference to ppl of their own sex. Not because they want to and "look at me I'm gay"...Homosexuality has been known since the beginging of time... dont you think that means something? Not to mention the fact that a lot of homosexuals spend a life time with their partners and at the end they can never prove that they were with that person, because they dont have the "right" to be unified.

            mYt3k

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            • #7
              Mytek & Jose

              Mytek, on faith and morals, Kerry is violating the spirit of his faith. To real Catholics of obey the Pope and his Magisterium, Pro Choice is Pro Abortion. The work choice is a copout word for those who want to do as Pilate and wash their hands of the murdering of children. Kerry should chose never to receive holy communion at Mass. Additionally, some Bishops will not all him to receive Communion in their Diocese.

              Jose, if we chose conservative judges, we may do away with many things we've had to live with for 20-30 years. The Blessed Mother Mary has talked in apparitions about the terrible sin of Abortion. It is one of the greatest crimes being committed in America today. 3M babies per year snuffed out! Some still alive and dumped away! We also want to place God back in our schools and public buildings. Liberal judges are trying to take God from everything when the majority of the population is Christion. We don't want to take anything away from other religions. Look what has happened to our schools since God was taken out and Planned Panrenthood (Abortion clinics) are alllowed to come into schools and give talks about sexuality. They never teach abstinance. This is not a right, it is pure evil.

              Marriage should be between a man and a woman as President Bush stated in his portion of the answer. Kerry mumbled and pretended to be a Christian until he went into the "but" poetion of his answer.

              And that's where part of our many differences lie. God Bless All of You!


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              • #8
                Rivera, we live in a democracy.

                Democracy is the majority rule of the people.

                You want to impose the rule of some on all for the sake of you religious beliefs.

                That is anti-democratic, anti-american, and pro-dictatorial. In fact, to go play it by your rules would be to subjugate the majority of americans to your beliefs without their consent, a very very right-wing christian act indeed.

                Josť

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                • #9
                  Really Jose? A democracy? Majority rule?

                  Is that why even though the MAJORITY of Americans are AGAINST same sex marriage, LIBERAL JUDGES can OVER RULE the WILL OF THE PEOPLE and OVERTURN ELECTION RESULTS that favor banning same sex marriage?

                  hmmm

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                  • #10
                    OP

                    Stop repeating political advertisements to people who can actually think for themselves.

                    The facts on same-sex marriage are:

                    1. Same-sex marriages are illegal in most states.
                    2. There is no constitutional basis for the legality of same-sex marriage, so it is up to individual states (if they so choose) to legislate any kind of marriage (that's why you may need a blood test in MD to get married, but not in MT).
                    3. It is the job of a state's judiciary to interpret state law. State judges are elected for this very reason.
                    4. I am not in complete disagreement with you on this one. I am fully for gay rights, but I think the gay movement overextended itself in asking for "marriage."

                    The facts on majority-rule are:

                    The vast majority of Americans are for the following, and you, and others like you, shove your opposition down the majority's throats legally or illegally any chance you get, by buying judges, murdering, burning, pillaging, or any other means necessary, etc. (I dont mean you personally (I hope), but people who believe like you and are willing to commit such acts of terror).

                    1. Female sexual rights (including the choice of abortion)
                    2. Stem-cell Research Funding
                    3. Any other kind of embryonic research
                    4. Separation of Church and State
                    5. Affirmative Action
                    6. ADA
                    7. Social Security Reform
                    8. Capital Punishment
                    9. Immigration Reform
                    10.AIDS Prevention and Research Funding

                    I could go on and on, including all of the rights overturned by this Administration in the name of "freedom." What a joke!

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                    • #11


                      "Stop repeating political advertisements to people who can actually think for themselves."--Jose

                      Actually, my post wasn't for people who can think for themselves, it was for YOU.

                      "The facts on same-sex marriage are:

                      "1. Same-sex marriages are illegal in most states.
                      2. There is no constitutional basis for the legality of same-sex marriage, so it is up to individual states (if they so choose) to legislate any kind of marriage (that's why you may need a blood test in MD to get married, but not in MT)."--Jose

                      First of all, I'm not talking about the states where it is illegal. I'm talking about the states where the MAJORITY of citizens voted AGAINST gay marriage and JUDGES OVERTURNED the DECISION of the MAJORITY.
                      Secondly, you know as well as I do that a gay couple who is "married" in Massachusettes can move to, let's say, Utah, where gay marriage is illegal. They will then go judge shopping for a liberal activist judge, and go to COURT, to FORCE the state to recognize them as legitimately married. The leftist judge will then over rule the legislature and the will of the MAJORITY, and impose the desires of a fringe minority on the rest of the citizens. You know its true. It's happened before and it'll happen again.


                      "3. It is the job of a state's judiciary to interpret state law. State judges are elected for this very reason."--Jose

                      To interpret , no rewrite. When the law says "no gay marriage" how the hell can that be interpretted as anything other than a prohibition of gay marriage? But some liberal judge will say that "it's unconstitutional" to keep gays from marrying, and they'll change the law from the bench. You KNOW this happens all the time.

                      4. I am not in complete disagreement with you on this one. I am fully for gay rights, but I think the gay movement overextended itself in asking for "marriage."-jose

                      Good. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.



                      "The facts on majority-rule are:

                      The vast majority of Americans are for the following, and you, and others like you, shove your opposition down the majority's throats legally or illegally any chance you get, by buying judges, murdering, burning, pillaging, or any other means necessary, etc. (I dont mean you personally (I hope), but people who believe like you and are willing to commit such acts of terror)."

                      The bulk of that statement is mindless bull$h!t.

                      "1. Female sexual rights (including the choice of abortion)"

                      No. The MAJORITY of people are NOT in favor of abortion. As a matter of fact, the ONLY time abortion has a MAJORITY support is when the mother's life is at risk, and in cases of rape or incest.

                      Other than that, the MAJORITY of people DO NOT favor "abortion on demand" or "partial birth abortion".


                      "2. Stem-cell Research Funding"

                      Wrong again. The country is evenly split on this issue, but again, the majority is against CREATING FETUSES for the intent of harvesting stem cells for reasearch.


                      3. Any other kind of embryonic research
                      See #2

                      "4. Separation of Church and State"
                      First of all, there is no mention of "seperation of church and state" in the constitution. Second of all, the actual term "seperation of church and state" means SPECIFICALLY the prohibition of government meddling in people's religious worship.

                      "5. Affirmative Action"

                      The majority of Americans DO NOT favor affirmative action.
                      6. ADA
                      "7. Social Security Reform"

                      Where is the contention on this one? Where did you get the idea that "my kind" are against SS reform??
                      It's the DEMOCRATS who want to keep the SS system as is.

                      "8. Capital Punishment"
                      Yes a majority of Americans support capital punishment. What's your point? It's the LEFT that wants to abolish it.
                      "9. Immigration Reform"
                      Yes, the MAJORITY of Americans want immigration reform. That's a problem neither party wants to address.
                      "10.AIDS Prevention and Research Funding"

                      Bush ahs done MORE for AIDS research funding than ANY president BEFORE. What's your problem with that?

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                      • #12
                        Op, you are disagreeing with my every point, which was my point in the firts place.

                        Please don't confuse yourself anymore.

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                        • #13
                          Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees...


                          The MAJOR point was that "people like me" are forcing our ideologies down the majority's throat.

                          MY POINT in refuting your "points" is this:
                          MY SIDE IS THE MAJORITY.

                          So in effect, the majority is "forcing its views" on YOU,
                          which, as you defined it, is called DEMOCRACY.

                          I didn't mean to confuse you, but then again, I don't see how that can be avoided. What's the matter? Too many shiny objects around to distract you?

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                          • #14
                            Hey these quotes are from a guy from the Patriot gun loving lobby and it reminds me so strongly of Opp Opp...I wonder if Opp Opp agrees with this "Patriot". He was a hater of socialists too. Yep. Looks like Opp Opp. Opp Opp do you agree with this guy's feelings?

                            "Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly,"

                            and

                            'It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic, and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being."

                            "I know I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend."

                            Would you say Opp Opp you agree with the above? Yes or No?

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                            • #15


                              "Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly,"

                              Yes. I agree 100%. It's not just my opinion either. It's the LAW.

                              and

                              'It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic, and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being."

                              Again, YES. 100%.This guy sounds like a military guy. I take that from his statement of having "sworn to uphold and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic", and he's 100% right. It's also the LAW.

                              "I know I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause."

                              Yes, 100%. He is right in his struggle.It's his duty.



                              "Blood will flow in the streets, Steve."

                              Who's Steve?
                              I hope it never comes to blood flowing in the streets. But if it does, the blood is squarely on the hands of those who try to destroy this country. The country can only be pushed so far before it has to be defended in order to keep it from total collapse, which is the goal of people like you and eddier and Yautia. The destruction of the American system.
                              Your kind are the cause of violence all over the world. Destruction and bloodshed are the historic results of your twisted ideology, and I can see how someone like the person who wrote the post you're quoting from would forsee a time when American patriots may actually have to fight for the very existance of this country as we know it.

                              "Good vs. Evil".
                              Yes, it is good vs. evil. Absolutely. Communism, socialism, fascism, all are EVIL. And Good always wins.
                              Just as you were defeated in two world wars, and in the Cold War, you'll be defeated again.


                              Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend."

                              Well, I don't plan on making blood run in the streets. I think that with the advent of the internet, the popularity of "right wing" talk radio, and the liberal monopoly of our television news having been broken, more and more Americans are realizing that they've been fed leftist propaganda for far too long, and are realizing that by a large margin, they don't agree with it. Our children are becoming more conservative and patriotic than we are, and that means a better future for the U.S.

                              Communism, Fascism and Socialism will become just " a bad thing that happened a long time ago".

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