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    ...this week on The Soapbox
    http://www.geocities.com/billad8199/op.htm

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    [i]STATEHOOD


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    • #3
      ¡Ecuajey!

      La verdad es verdad....and the truth is, that the idealism of estadismo, is supported and survives on, a bunch of corrupt individuals just looking to screw over Puerto Rico. So they can send that money back to their party, to fund more corruption schemes and the destruction of our people and our land! ¡Que lindo!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ecuajey
        La verdad es verdad....and the truth is, that the idealism of estadismo, is supported and survives on, a bunch of corrupt individuals just looking to screw over Puerto Rico. So they can send that money back to their party, to fund more corruption schemes and the destruction of our people and our land! ¡Que lindo!

        [i]Me lo dices mi socio... me lo dices

        La verdad es la verdad

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        • #5
          I have only recently become interested in the situation regarding statehood for Puerto Rico. I am certain that the current unequal status of the people of Puerto Rico needs to be changed. Although U.S. citizenship was granted in 1917, it was not done by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Rather your citizenship comes from the Territorial Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Under this clause, the United States exercises power over the "civil rights" and "political status" of the inhabitants of Puerto Rico. Consequently, your citizenship is a legislated and colonial concession, not a constitutionally derived right, and it can be revoked altogether.

          So, the people of Puerto Rico "belong" to American society in the sense that they have effectively remained possessions of the United States. As inhabitants of a territory, your representation in Congress is limited to one non-voting member of the House of Representatives. You cannot vote for the President or the Vice President, and your laws and status come under the plenary authority of the U.S. Congress.

          If the current situation is unacceptable, and you reject statehood, are you prepared to be independent? I do not intend this as an insult, and I do not mean “mentally” prepared. I am more interested in your views regarding the economic status of Puerto Rico; the infrastructure; the rules of law.

          I am very interested in hearing views that have not been “sanitized” by the American news media, and hope you will consider an open and frank discussion.

          Peace.

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          • #6


            [i]This thread has been rethreaded by the brainwashing coward "EL_JIBARO" who feels that the particpants of this thread are not intitled to their opinion and shouldn't have equal rights as participants here at puertorico.com and did this act in an attempt to SANITIZE the mind of our new member here Gooffyfish. Those who would like to be provided thier EQUAL right as a puertorico.com member to participate in topic discussions please click on the link provided below. Pardon the inconvenience.

            Guaili


            Click on link below to be taken to new thread.
            http://www.puertorico.com/forums/sho...?threadid=8469

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            • #7


              [b][i]¡HUYE JIBARO, QUE TE COGE EL CUCO!


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              • #8
                Interesting information I wonder how you obtained it?

                Goofyfish,

                Even though information provided by you is something we are acknowledge and understand, I am happy you too acknowledge and understand our current derived situation. I would like to use your statement and point out certain statements, if I may! You wrote:

                I have only recently become interested in the situation regarding statehood for Puerto Rico. I am certain that the current unequal status of the people of Puerto Rico needs to be changed. I would rather say, " unequal status of the Island residents especially those whom are registed voters at the Island Governement of Puerto Rico." You see Goofyfish even if you reside at the Island the same rule applies to you, NO DISTINCTION! Even if you were born in the White House itself! So where is the fallacy?

                Although U.S. citizenship was granted in 1917, it was not done by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
                I would rather say: " U.S. Citizenship was shoved, push, forced, superficially politically feed into the minds of the mainly Puertorricans farmers and part of a bigger conspiracy evil plan. You see my Goofyfish writer, second world war was in its full blown status, USA needed men to fight a battle far away, a foreign battle, USA also needed Puerto Rico strategically to dominate a geografically concerned area, since they kept PR, basically gave up Cuba and ST. Domingo. Puertorricans were promised Independence from Spain, yet USA refused to "talk the talk" hey the less men in a recently decieved land the better for USA to acquire and accomplish their interest, right?

                Rather your citizenship comes from the Territorial Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Under this clause, the United States exercises power over the "civil rights" and "political status" of the inhabitants of Puerto Rico.
                Of course, they had to keep there nose clean and make it legit, so way not come up with that despicable amendment!
                Consequently, your citizenship is a legislated and colonial concession, not a constitutionally derived right, and it can be revoked altogether.

                Goofy fish you think USA is going to give up all the money they make on the legal citizen of Puerto Rico? Come on wake up! I would not use the word "consequently" I would use "shamefully and despicably" and finish with " It should be revoke immediately"

                So, the people of Puerto Rico "belong" to American society in the sense that they have effectively remained possessions of the United States.
                I would rather say " The people of Puerto Rico have been "Hostage" and have been forced, mishandled and mis managed by the Government, specifically the US NAVY as a possession without a chance to be free

                As inhabitants of a territory, your representation in Congress is limited to one non-voting member of the House of Representatives. You cannot vote for the President or the Vice President, and your laws and status come under the plenary authority of the U.S. Congress.

                "As the rightious inhabitants of an invaded Nation"

                If the current situation is unacceptable, and you reject statehood, are you prepared to be independent?
                I would rather say: "Since USA have lied about freedom and independence since the Spanish American War, you must have been ready for Independence since the 1800's.

                I do not intend this as an insult, and I do not mean “mentally” prepared. I am more interested in your views regarding the economic status of Puerto Rico; the infrastructure; the rules of law.

                I am very interested in hearing views that have not been “sanitized” by the American news media, and hope you will consider an open and frank discussion.

                We know this is not an insult, but an ignorant view, one that is shared by all USA resident that may have a notion of Puerto Rico existance. It is an egotistic view normally and unconciously expected from basically all Americans, so do not worry we know where you are coming from!

                Puerto Rico currently has the hardware infrastructure to function as a Nation, we have been since our first Puertorrican Governer versus all those fool US Marine officers that could not even wipe their behind. No insults, just a fact! { Can you imagine a Submarine surfacing twice on vessels causing fatalities and damages?}
                We have current Independence plans from various groups within the Puertorricans communities including USA, that provides a comprehensive 10, 20 30 year coordinated effort with USA. Some offer full Democracy, similar to that of USA others Socialism, or the combination a others.

                What we basically want is a Nation that can compite and reach our goals as a real Nation versus a Psuedo Associate State, so that we can maintain our culture, language and Traditions instead of being assimilated by a bigger fish.

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                • #9
                  Re: Interesting information I wonder how you obtained it?

                  Originally posted by conciencia
                  Goofyfish,

                  Even though information provided by you is something we are acknowledge and understand, I am happy you too acknowledge and understand our current derived situation. I would like to use your statement and point out certain statements, if I may! You wrote:

                  I have only recently become interested in the situation regarding statehood for Puerto Rico. I am certain that the current unequal status of the people of Puerto Rico needs to be changed. I would rather say, " unequal status of the Island residents especially those whom are registed voters at the Island Governement of Puerto Rico." You see Goofyfish even if you reside at the Island the same rule applies to you, NO DISTINCTION! Even if you were born in the White House itself! So where is the fallacy?

                  Although U.S. citizenship was granted in 1917, it was not done by virtue of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
                  I would rather say: " U.S. Citizenship was shoved, push, forced, superficially politically feed into the minds of the mainly Puertorricans farmers and part of a bigger conspiracy evil plan. You see my Goofyfish writer, second world war was in its full blown status, USA needed men to fight a battle far away, a foreign battle, USA also needed Puerto Rico strategically to dominate a geografically concerned area, since they kept PR, basically gave up Cuba and ST. Domingo. Puertorricans were promised Independence from Spain, yet USA refused to "talk the talk" hey the less men in a recently decieved land the better for USA to acquire and accomplish their interest, right?

                  Rather your citizenship comes from the Territorial Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Under this clause, the United States exercises power over the "civil rights" and "political status" of the inhabitants of Puerto Rico.
                  Of course, they had to keep there nose clean and make it legit, so way not come up with that despicable amendment!
                  Consequently, your citizenship is a legislated and colonial concession, not a constitutionally derived right, and it can be revoked altogether.

                  Goofy fish you think USA is going to give up all the money they make on the legal citizen of Puerto Rico? Come on wake up! I would not use the word "consequently" I would use "shamefully and despicably" and finish with " It should be revoke immediately"

                  So, the people of Puerto Rico "belong" to American society in the sense that they have effectively remained possessions of the United States.
                  I would rather say " The people of Puerto Rico have been "Hostage" and have been forced, mishandled and mis managed by the Government, specifically the US NAVY as a possession without a chance to be free

                  As inhabitants of a territory, your representation in Congress is limited to one non-voting member of the House of Representatives. You cannot vote for the President or the Vice President, and your laws and status come under the plenary authority of the U.S. Congress.

                  "As the rightious inhabitants of an invaded Nation"

                  If the current situation is unacceptable, and you reject statehood, are you prepared to be independent?
                  I would rather say: "Since USA have lied about freedom and independence since the Spanish American War, you must have been ready for Independence since the 1800's.

                  I do not intend this as an insult, and I do not mean “mentally” prepared. I am more interested in your views regarding the economic status of Puerto Rico; the infrastructure; the rules of law.

                  I am very interested in hearing views that have not been “sanitized” by the American news media, and hope you will consider an open and frank discussion.

                  We know this is not an insult, but an ignorant view, one that is shared by all USA resident that may have a notion of Puerto Rico existance. It is an egotistic view normally and unconciously expected from basically all Americans, so do not worry we know where you are coming from!

                  Puerto Rico currently has the hardware infrastructure to function as a Nation, we have been since our first Puertorrican Governer versus all those fool US Marine officers that could not even wipe their behind. No insults, just a fact! { Can you imagine a Submarine surfacing twice on vessels causing fatalities and damages?}
                  We have current Independence plans from various groups within the Puertorricans communities including USA, that provides a comprehensive 10, 20 30 year coordinated effort with USA. Some offer full Democracy, similar to that of USA others Socialism, or the combination a others.

                  What we basically want is a Nation that can compite and reach our goals as a real Nation versus a Psuedo Associate State, so that we can maintain our culture, language and Traditions instead of being assimilated by a bigger fish.

                  Well said Conciencia.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Interesting information I wonder how you obtained it?

                    Originally posted by conciencia
                    What we basically want is a Nation that can compite and reach our goals as a real Nation versus a Psuedo Associate State, so that we can maintain our culture, language and Traditions instead of being assimilated by a bigger fish.
                    [i]...Or assimilated by State Hooder PNP rats.

                    Conciencia, you know whose this rat suppose to be, right?

                    I can't say his name or he'll start crying to the member support again and I'll have to get annoying emails that someone on the forum is crybabying about me making fun of them and they'll cut my membership, then I'll have to come back under yet another screen name jí jí jí jí, and the thing is I kind of like this one

                    Cogelo suave,

                    Guaili

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                    • #11
                      Eso es asi!

                      Guaili,

                      Claro que se quien es...jijijiji...Te cojo bajando.
                      Cojelo suave, pero cojelo!

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                      • #12
                        La Isla

                        I Don't understand us Puertoricans. We are fighting that Puerto Rico does not become a state and yet we run to the United States for jobs. A friend os mine proposed to me that question and it dawn on me how wrong we are for opposing to become a state.
                        Why so many Puerto Ricans are living here in the United States? Why? Because they like the Statehood thing. THink about it, does that makes any sense to you?
                        Zapata_46

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                        • #13
                          Re: La Isla

                          Originally posted by Zapata_46
                          I Don't understand us Puertoricans. We are fighting that Puerto Rico does not become a state and yet we run to the United States for jobs. A friend os mine proposed to me that question and it dawn on me how wrong we are for opposing to become a state.
                          Why so many Puerto Ricans are living here in the United States? Why? Because they like the Statehood thing. THink about it, does that makes any sense to you?
                          No, that doesn't make any sense to me. We should become a state because there are a large number of Puerto Ricans living on the mainland USA? Well, should Japanese people become a state, just because they have a sizeable amount of Japanese in the USA, and the Navy on their bases in Japan employs many? Does that make sense to you?

                          Go here for more information: http://www.puertorico.com/forums/sho...?threadid=8563

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