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  • #16
    Eddie,
    My puter troubles are complex to say the least. Lol. First I did not have any firewall and no anti virus of any kind. It gave my puter 710 viruses and made it highly unstable yes. Also, since neither my hubby or I have any computer techy interest....(the technical aspects of puters bores us both to death), we just like writing. Plus we got hit with all kinds of weird ads and porn and all kinds of weird stuff that overloaded the puter. We called some expert help in to help us clean it all. He said it was close to irremediable. But I got a guy from India, two computer whizzes from Nepal, and a dude with a powerful program. Also a Mexican guy who I cooked an excellent meal for spending hours on my computer for installing all the stuff.

    At work I am extremely busy and I write on my breaks and when I can which is less than 20 minutes a day. When I get home Eddie, I am bombarded with stuff I gotta do. I gotta deal with social workers, calling government officials in two countries and cooking and cleaning and errand running. Plus HL takes Aikido in the morining, piano twice a week, I gotta to exercise and then I gotta cope with the mountain of complications that are arising with the paperwork for the child. If I told you what they require you would be quite confident to know that I am completely trustworthy person. I am realizing only really stable people on all fronts pass these screenings by the feds, the local state, the International courts and the Mexican security system they got over there. It is discouraging if you think about how long this stuff takes Eddie. They check if you are healthy enough through doctors, they ck and see if you have a criminal record of any sort, child abuse registry check, if you even have traffic tickets. They check if you even have been treated for mental therapy of any sort. You must prove NO MOODINESS or mental illness, criminal record must be spic and span, your credit has to be good. You must not even be in any credit card debt. It is incredible this stuff. Thank goodness, my husband and I are clean living folk. You must attend classes about parenting for 14 weeks. (which start next week for me and my husband), those classes also give you tests to see if you smoke cigarettes, or beers or take drugs. They talk about how you cope with disappointment, problems and how you handle anger. They probe and see what kind of knowledge you have about each other. My poor husband was so stressed last week Eddie. Because they come over and open your cabinets in the kitchen and if you don't have first aid kits and fire extinguishers. He cleaned everything. Even my closet looks perfect. Lol. (They look in the closet). They even ask about your ideas about religion and other things. You have to be honest. Thank goodness our social worker is not a conservative. Lol. They ck your salary your employment history your GPA in college your life is under a damn microscope. It is the most invasive thing I have ever been subjected to.

    I don't know what the Mexican guy did but pr.com has some kind of block or restriction. And since I am ignorant on how to deal with it. Until the kid gets back from Mexico City I have no way of writing on pr.com from home. I can read but I can't post. Why am I telling you this Ed? You don't trust anybody anyway. Lol. You know I had to write how much I think my furniture is worth? And why I bought a Vitamix blender and how many CD's I got....why? I need to demonstrate my ability to provide a stable home for a child or children....for little foreign alien children coming to live in the USA. This is really stressful Eddie. But, I don't have a choice now do I? I don't believe in spending thousands of dollars on finding out why I can't have my own children. I frankly and quite honestly DON'T care, if the child is mine biologically or not. I truly don't. My husband knows I wanted to adopt since I married him at 18. Who knows if I will have one. The docs think we can...if we waste money on doing it. 90% if I spend big bucks. Why spend big bucks? There are plenty of children nobody wants already here. Fight for them. Fight for all of them. That is what any person with the ability to do so should do.

    I am sorry Ed, not much philosophy content in this post.

    Suki.

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    • #17
      Eddie,
      I finally got to read the confidential references from people who have known us for more than ten years time...and their comments about who my husband and I are as people. It made me very happy. Lol. I never expected such fine recommendations from people we have known for such a long time.

      How do you feel about children in general Eddie? What do you think are important qualities to have as a parent? You know I said if I do as good a job as Yautia has in raising her daughters, I would be content. One question on the application for the parenting class asked if I was ever spanked by my parents....and other private things. It is very invasive Eddie. And truly one process I would not like to be subjected to ever again. But I guess there is a legal responsibility to justify legally turning over a tiny new life to be raised by people not blood relatives....and the state needs to justify it. I just wish there was someway in which they could do it without making the adoptive parents go through so much. But I guess it is hard for both sides. For the family of the children who are not wanted and for the new family. SO MANY Eddie....so many children suffering. I think about what you went through Eddie when you were young and did not have enough to eat. And all the health problems too. And I think, this child needs us....for Mexicans to not be able to find extended family and get these kids to stay within the family the circumstances are dire Eddie. Many can't feed the kids...or don't want the responsibility. And all their family is in the same boat. This kind of circumstances is not the exception in that beautiful country. I saw so many of those children Ed on the street. I wish I could take them all home with me. All of them. All I can do is do what I can. No se Eddie. Las injusticias de este mundo frio a veces me destroza.

      Suki.

      PS. Who knows I might get lucky and get a beautiful little boy as well who is as smart as you were as a child Eddie? I would love to have been able to raise a son with as fine a character as you have. I would not mind if he became an atheist or communist or anything of the sort. I would quite enjoy him and count myself lucky. Lol. Take care. And tomorrow I will ask about Kant a lot. You were lucky too Eddie. To get an education and have a good and true life. And to have such a fine mind and character. You are fortunate as well Eddie. How I would have loved to have raised such a child...as bright as you were in your childhood. No matter the pain that it causes us....all struggle is worth it. No crees?

      But no matter if he is as bright and engaging and dignified as you. Or as mannerly as Jose Nestor or as full of poetry as Letty or shy or whatever. I will love him. No matter what. As I would love my daughter the same. No matter what. I still believe in love. Always will. Blood and sacrifice and LOVE. Hasta el final......

      I guess Letty would be better to talk about this with. I will be gone permanently in a few months Eddie. And when that happens I hope you remember me just a little bit. Cuz I will remember you filosofo boricua....of that there is not the slightest doubt. And maybe someday I can come in for a visit from a busy life. (And it might be I will miss you too much too. Lol). I have a clean computer now. Firewalls and everything....but I would rather have what they have in Star Trek....where there is the food replicator and all you would have to do Eddie is tell the computer...."I want Suki's food that she made for me....and voila it would happen!!" Yep, that is true high tech that is useful.

      [Edited by Suki on 17th February 2004 at 23:31]

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      • #18
        Suki, so it was a fact that you computer needed the utilities that I mentioned. And since you are not a 'tech' and find the use of such tools "boring", then you had recourse to paying for the repairs.

        One "guy" even wanted to scrap your computer, get you to buy a new one probably from him so he could get a commission on it, when it proved not necessary. Profit max rears its ugly head again at the expense of the needs of a person like you.

        Now, you say you believe that PR.com has put some type of block on you that leaves merely 'read only' capabilities, but not participating by writing replies. It is difficult for me to accept that, because you now have a 'clean' computer.

        May I suggest that you start from square-one by going to NETWORK in the control panel, and there selecting your TCP connection. Then hit the properties button and make sure that domain lookup, or DMA is disabled. Then go to the WIN configuration, and make sure that WIN resolution is disabled, click in the box next to it to disable that. And finally, go to the bindings section and make absolutely certain that you select only Microsoft Client, click on that and remove all other checks of other apps. Then click the final OK button, and the message you might receive is that you will have to reboot your computer, so if it offers to do that accept to reboot. Once back in to Windows, you can do one of two things, first try to reconnect to your ISP server, and then once in, go to puertorico.com. If you can both read and reply to postulados, then everything is okay. But if you have the same problem of 'read only', then I suggest you will be better off going to Add/and Remove in the Control Panel, and remove your ISP software from there. Make sure first that you either have a CD with the ISP software on hand, or if you don't go to your ISP server download page and download the latest edition of that software. Save that to your documents. Then after removing the software you now have, INSTALL the latest version, and/ or the one from your CD. Then setup anew, and go to the puertorico.com website and register anew either using your old screenname or better yet Vida, since that suits your Passionaria style so much better, IMHO. But you do the choosing according to your druthers, it is your name and you know best.

        It should take you about a couple of hours to do all the above, but it will be worth it, because you will have in effect a new app. to go along with your newly cleaned computer.

        Good Luck, Suki; I will be back to address some of the issues that you mentioned concerning children, and what I opine concerning the tykes and what is a fit world for children in general. And also why I am optimistic that we whom are the current generation might be the last to carry the burdens of the terrible world we reside in. Also why my communal mind-set is considering that the children that might come in the future world WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT WE WENT THROUGH AND THEREFORE NEVER HAVE TO BEAR SUCH A CATASTROPHIC BURDEN. But that is still in the planning stages, and it all needs to be worked out and approved by our communal mind-set if and only if it proves NECESSARY.

        Till later...
        E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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        • #19
          Eddie,
          Why do you assume so many things? Why? I did not pay for any of the computer stuff. Not a penny. Those kids (the computer experts),are friends of my husband and I. And we do favors for them all the time. And being decent kids with good values from traditional Asian countries...they do it for free( they get the anti virus and other software from their jobs and from their friends programs too and share it for free with us. I am paying monthly a small amount for the computer (I did not buy it outright). It is the cheapest model Dell makes. Before then I had an old computer donated from my father who bought it as Sears a long time ago. Do you want me to tell you my entire computer history and my hatred of technical computer stuff. I truly hate tech stuff related to computers. I like writing and looking stuff up on the internet. I had to ask Ecuajey to help me put photos in my sig, because I don't understand it. The photos are gone now because I don't remember how to put it in anymore. I would love to put images and stuff on my sig. But I don't have the patience for learning the procedure. I want to break the computer in half. I prefer writing handwritten letters and mail to email. I am hopelessly old fashioned. And not as progressive and high techy as you or MOM either. The supposedly more modern technique has never appealed to me. I never liked cars either. If I could live riding horses, cooking from scratch, reading by candlelight and no tv or radio (just a good stereo with a few buttons to listen to music on I would be happy). Lol. I don't believe in daycare for children or video games or anything. I believe in staying home and doing things the old fashioned way. Criticize me all you want you modern, progressive beautiful man Eddie. Lol.....lol... those computer guys would do anything for my food too. They really love it. I guess doing things the old fashioned way in the food arena is superior... Lol. I would never pay for fancy computer stuff. I never got into all of the computer world all that much. Never have. Should I spend half my life on a puter figure out how to do this or that? And once that happens they come out with the new version. If I ever have to pay to fix my problems on the puter, I would go back to the word processor and forget all this crap. That is how much I really am not interested in spending so much time figuring stuff out. Apparently the Mexican guy did something cuz internet explorer is restricted too and can't be used by my hubby. And the husband tried to lock out the puter from the godsons who were burning cd's with bad rap music, and he called the internet provider and they mistakenly restricted pr.com. HL will see if we can bypass the paid for restriction. Because apparently we are not willing to spend one dime on this stuff....I would rather spend it on getting my children. And that is very inexpensive. This whole adoption thing has had extraordinary people come forward and either give us services for free, or for a nominal fee. We are going to adopt very nearly for a tiny amount of money. Which is unheard of. And you might not believe it Eddie. I don't care anymore if you believe me or not. You are a skeptical. I don't blame you. I will save the adoption story for Leticia g. And for the child. Because if I heard the series of coincidences that went into it, I would not believe it either. And I would never expect you to believe it either.

          Hey, what happened to the answers to my jam-packed questions on the previous posts on Kant and my flow of thoughts? How I really enjoy thoroughly your analysis of so many things Eddier1. Really.

          Awaiting your response soon.

          Suki.

          PS The high here is gonna hit almost 70 degrees. That is what is so strange about the Rockies and the Front Range. You can get almost late spring weather in the middle of winter. The sky is a light blue, the clouds are soft and like faded the light is bright and strong. I was filled with the most lovely feeling of optimism this morning. I will see the ocean soon. I hope to. Kant was so much fun to try to understand and question. I started reading him on a picnic in the mountains just as you recommended. And I like that word you use for the babies "tykes". Lol. It is a cute word. Hmmm, I think Borges would truly like you and when he likes you he puts his big head on your lap and looks at you and licks your hand and face. I want to implement as many socially responsible philosophies based on objective truth as possible Eddie (I think it is the definition of good parenting). Como me siento hoy? As if a bit of spring weather here was made to enjoy fully. No one should be working on such a beautiful day. I wish you could be here to see it.

          Do you hate parties Eddie? HL absolutely flees from them. He does not like crowds of people supposedly celebrating something. Remember our friend Laura? Well, she wants to have a huge BABY shower for the baby....with more than a hundred guests. She loves all that stuff. HL is one of her best friends....and HE HATES THE IDEA of it. Yet, she is from the home state of the baby and wants him/her to be an integral part of the community. Oh, forget it....why ask advice about this from you....you are not Leticia g. Please give your analysis to the questions in the previous post....and forget all this social rambling of mine. I am so filled with optimism Eddie. I know I have some health related problems with mom and HL, but I have great hope in the struggle I always have. May I blow you two big kisses....and say I hope they land right on your right cheek. Precioso Eddie. And I can't use by given name by my mother for a screenname now can I? Lol. I get jokes all day from my co-workers and others because of it....they usually start singing some old bolero like....si tuviera cuatro vidas, tararara....

          Suki.

          [Edited by Suki on 18th February 2004 at 22:33]

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          • #20
            Suki, let me edit what I said about the puter procedure for accessing the puertorico.com. I said, now that I read the post again, for you to make sure the DMA box was checked disabled. I am human and misstyped (big deal, eh)what I should have typed is the DNS box. But never mind, since you assumed that I was writing a sceptical screed about the FUN of computer tooling. Yes, Suki (not Vida) I find the tooling lots and lots of fun, and all the hours sometimes that is required is well-worh spent when one succeeds in making the computer run smoothly and efficiently. On the other hand, you show a "contempt" for such tech things, which I don't because to me technology is a crucial part of science. Without it, we would all be still running through the wild, eating hips and haws, and painting our behinds the color blue, like the Brits did in 'olden times'. Don't get me wrong, Suki, because I don't think that science and technology is something 'sacred' because I don't really think that. To me it is the most satisfactory improvement that the human race has ever made. Nothing more, nor less.

            Look-it, how did I know that you got all that help from your friends in straightening out your computer? I'm not a mind reader, you know. And when I have had repairs to make on stuff I got years ago, I paid for the work, and even threw in a beer or two, or a pot of coffee "and", for the workers if they wanted to partake. Never did I expect that you would be so 'castigating' of me on such a matter. That's the way you came over to me.

            About children is yet another topic with questions that you added to the conversation. I didn't expect it and have not commented on your "adoption" procedures, since it is none of my business. But when you address me about my views on children then you are in another league entirely. If you expected anything nasty or irritated by me, then you were proved wrong. I love children and don't want them to suffer like I did; all the castastrophic burden, if we commies can do something about it, will be as though it never happened for the children. AS THOUGH IT NEVER WAS!!!

            Now, you want to stick to the subject of Kant, okay. Then I ask you not to make our conversation ala the General Personals again. If you can't do that, then our "discussion" will be over. You have yet to respond to my answers to a few of the questions you posed about Kant. Instead, you went off on the personalisms. I tried to assist you in getting back into puertorico.com, and that is the extent of it.

            We will 'talk' later, if you wish....
            E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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            • #21
              Eddie,
              I guess saying I hate tech stuff was too strong a word. If you enjoy it and find satisfaction in making your puter run smoothly, more power to you Eddie. I don't enjoy those things. People have all kinds of gustos. Maybe I was too hasty in my opinion of high tech stuff. I spend my day Eddie, on the puter at work navigating a bunch of systems and talking, translating and typing at a furious pace, and I just get fed up with it, after a while. It is all subjective perspective Eddie. So, you just ignore my comments about how I feel about it. It is just burn out. You just wanted to be helpful. I have to read updates on memorizing new ways of doing things on the puter every morning. It is tiring. My eyes and head get tired. So, don't you take any of my comments seriously. Take it all with a grain of salt. I have an average of 20-30 different systems on my compu at work and they are changing things CONSTANTLY. I have to memorize the changes all the time. Memorize procedures. Then I have to type technical reports, and stuff and translate people with every Latin American and Spanish accent and other accents including Brazilians and Italians...all the time. At the end of the day, my throat is raw sometimes from translations and explaining things and typing and navigating and trying to remember the newest changes in the computer system. I go to trainings for new systems regularly. You know life is about balance Eddie. And turning off all that stimulation and relaxing and doing something simple is needed. I never meant to put down your sincere liking and interest in your computer things. I enjoy my work because I serve people and make their lives easier. But it is hard work. And sometimes I get tired and complain. Don't you pay attention to it. I envy you your enjoyment and skill at all of it.

              And you and the Scientific Socialists have made our lives better. As working people. And your contributions are important always.

              Forget all that other social rambling stuff. I was just rambling. If I want to talk small talk and stuff I will write to Letty about it. Don't you pay any mind to all that rambling.

              I will get back on track later on....

              Good bye.

              Suki.

              [Edited by Suki on 19th February 2004 at 16:35]

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              • #22
                Getting back on track!!!

                There are some Kantian concepts mentioned in his work and in your great excerpt on him that popped out at me....

                between things-in-themselves and things-as-they-appear.

                Concept of Negative Magnitudes into Philosophy (Eng. trans., 1911), he argued that some physical relations, such as causality, cannot be reduced to logical relations, and in Enquiry into the Proofs for the Existence of God

                What are we the sums of our experiences, Eddie? But that which that small patch of our brain processes. What are cognitive abilities allow and how all that data is interpreted through our 'filters' linguistic, cognitive, and experiential.

                Yet what we choose to do with that 'knowledge' gleaned from experience is what I am thinking dialectical materialism might fit in to this philosophical stream.

                Yes, some eternal human questions can't be answered. As you have stated many times. We are limited and we err, so trying to prove that which is not based on anything within human capacity to experience would logically fall into metaphysical, esoteric and that is all open to speculation and not scientific. But science progresses so do we....and yes, technology (including computers are our tools to progress and to making new findings and building on older knowledge). Yet I hope we don't lose that which is most important. The source of all our wealth. Material and human labor resides in human beings. And making human beings be able to be the best they are capable of being (realizing our potential as a species), is the duty of us all.

                I am thinking appearance of something does not make it what it is. Yet what is society, but an agreed upon construction of reality within a social concept? What is society but a series of ideas and principles based on not only practical material needs of human beings, but on their mental and subjective concepts of what life is about filtered through the small patch of each individual members brain? And the sum of their experiences. Both as a group and as individual members of that group with their own cultural shared values.

                What is a critique of judgement? It is ultimately our ability to interpret our world and all its tools and resources, and the sum of our experiences in all its truth and making decisions based on that. Hopefully to serve the greater good. For all we are is one small part of the whole. And the whole is only good if most of its parts are acting thinking of the whole.

                How does one separate what one knows and perceives as truthful from what might be 'wishful thinking' or seeing things through a slightly modified way? I am thinking that is what you said Eddie, about humans not really being 100% confident that what they have experienced with some distance and time involved it might not be all certain. What is certain is that which gives consistent results. Based on study, reflection, and observation. And with logic based on that judgement of group acquired thought and dedication. Science makes the attempt. And modifies as it goes along. Trial and error. Always retaining that which is predictable and consistent and discarding that which is difficult to initially prove, until the technology eventually exists to test the theories and advance the theory. Constant revisions. Adaptation. To it all. Our ability to learn and acquire knowledge through real mistakes, might be our greatest weapon against stagnation. The err part might the reason for the successes. It sounds very philosophical doesn't it? Lol.

                I will be back with more detailed questions on Kant. Please forgive all the time I spent on other themes in this thread. Thanks for being patient with me.

                Suki.



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                • #23
                  Hey I am not as inept as I thought. I bypassed the restriction. Jaja. I feel like I won the lottery. Now I know what to do.

                  Eddie let us keep going with Kant. I truly and sincerely want to do a good job here. And after Kant Shakespeare too? I want to explore themes of interest with you. I truly do.

                  Here is a general philosophical question for you....Can one truly be free in one's mind? No matter in which physical environment one is in? I think RepublicadePR posted an independentista who went to jail for the Wells Fargo thing back in 1980's and he stated that he learned to look for freedom in his mind. Mandela mentioned something similar in his experiences on Robin's Island in South Africa. I remember you mentioning what you felt the meaning of life was....way back in 2001 August...right here. When I first decided to take the plunge and attempt to get on this medium. You said "freedom" was the most important thing. The bliss of freedom. How we love as human beings to create our own prisons don't we? With enchained minds, thoughts, and limitations? With being bounders and roller coaster people, and wanting unreasonable things. Yet is it all because we desperately want that which is of the essence? FREEDOM---and most of our errors of judgement and thought---is our quest for freedom of all sorts.

                  Freedom of the mind---maybe it is found in disciplining it, and sacrificing for those things you mention like duty and responsibility. A man of conscience does not respond to reward or punishment. But to duty. And acts accordingly. I learn from you all the time something new. Never do you disappoint. Good Night. I hope you reply soon. But if you don't. May you keep your freedom.....compa....forever.

                  Suki.

                  I guess I am not as bad at compu tech stuff as I thought. Good. I am adapting. BTW, where may I dialog with all these brilliant communists Eddier1? Where is the forum they are at so I can join and learn more? Thank you.

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                  • #24
                    "What are we the sums of our experiences, Eddie? But that which that small patch of our brain processes. What are cognitive abilities allow and how all that data is interpreted through our 'filters' linguistic, cognitive, and experiential.

                    Yet what we choose to do with that 'knowledge' gleaned from experience is what I am thinking dialectical materialism might fit in to this philosophical stream."

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                    Not simply the sums of our experiences, because the whole is always greater than the sum of its parts. And that patch of our brains through which we perceive the external world is not as small or insignificant as it might seem to be. Of course, according the the physiologists who dissected the brain and added this scientific knowledge, what they discovered was not available to Kant in his day. But he did get it right when he stated that the sense data received by our optic nerves is shaped by the categories of reason, the patterns of thought in terms of quantity, quality, time, and modality.

                    His philosophy leaned more to the empirio-criticism as having the real encounter, and his critique of pure reason demonstrated how the patterns of thought are 'contentless' until they receive the sense data effects garnered through the knowledge we obtain of the empirical world through 'acquaintance with it'.

                    For Kant this knowledge gives us reality, for him the rational is not the real, and the real is not the rational. This is the crux and powerful key to his philosophy. And it is what made the CRITIQUE so necessary and meaningful for the development of philosophy. Up to this time, the rational in terms of archetypes, or the categories and/or the patterns (or the templates as we now say) had content and was real content. That is, content that was universal and necessary truths.

                    But later on came the critical realist movement, which having the advantage of knowing the findings of the modern physiologists, argued that the world of sense data from the external or empirical realm is no more a real encounter than the experience we have of the 'contentless patterns of thought'. They, therefore, proved the unreliablity of sense data by critical analysis of the perspective, temporal and spacial illusions, and a plethora of other errors that sense data transmission is heir-to.

                    The best of these critical realists, therefore, opted to accept only the patterns of thought as the real encounter, whether contentless or filled with unreliable sense data, whose decriptions gives us a knowledge by description. This knowledge by description through the categories of reason, the patterns or templates, is the only knowledge which they asseverate as universal and necessary truth.

                    This isn't really much different from Plato's realism based on the archetypes. But since the critical analysis of the empirical as opposed to the rational was extensively carried out by them, and their works can be found in the modern libraries to attest to their work, they were justified in calling themselves not Realists in the Platonic sense (classical) but realists in the critical sense. Hence, they are known as Critical Realists as opposed to Kantians and/or neo-Kantians.

                    Later, perhaps, I will get the time to show how dialectical materialism uses the dialectical method to make an antithesis in its unity, or a synthesis of reality, out of the synthetic apriori real encounter of Kant, and the sense data analyses of the critical realism of the Critical Realist's Movement.
                    E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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                    • #25
                      Where is the forum they are at so I can join and learn more? Thank you.


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                      Loathe to say it, but if you ask the Maitreya Stanley, he can give you the URL in HTML format, which will enable you to click on it and go directly to the website. As you know, I have been restricted by this forum from using HTML formatting and image downloads, from day one, even though I asked for these applications when I joined. Ahahaha...they must have had some former alert on who they were allowing into the forum, and handicapped me from day one. LOL!!!

                      BTW, he Stan continues to lie through his teeth. He calls us commies 'gentilhommes'; what a joke about what might have been had we not been communists. But hey, if you get enrolled at the website, you can do a search of what he has written and the replies by others, many of which consider him a spaced out dreamer, a utopian without direction. And some have even cursed him out; one even told him to "f.uck-off" when Stanley kept up with his empollon ways of calling the communists 'zoo keepers of people' who deny them their freedom

                      Speaking of freedom again, let me say quickly that there is such a thing as an 'unenchained mind'. And that 'freedom' which ought to be our purpose in life, and the meaning of it, is often ignored by many people, who seem to have an instinct not for achieving freedom, but for conquering their fear of the unknown. Such fear is the main obstacle to achieving freedom, and is oft ensnared by religionism and utopian ideologies that are sheer pap. But religionism is the most as the problem, as the fantasies which are created are simply that "fantasies" to cope with the world which is too much for most people. However, the real culprit is the realigionist organizations, which impose their faiths mostly by force as history has shown. And these religionists organizations are something that we commies have to deal with, and not ignore. They have to be dealt with. But more later when I have more time to discuss the positive values of FREEDOM!
                      E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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                      • #26
                        I found these three paragraphs in your post very, very interesting Eddie (I hope you elaborate):

                        His philosophy leaned more to the empirio-criticism as having the real encounter, and his critique of pure reason demonstrated how the patterns of thought are 'contentless' until they receive the sense data effects garnered through the knowledge we obtain of the empirical world through 'acquaintance with it'.

                        For Kant this knowledge gives us reality, for him the rational is not the real, and the real is not the rational. This is the crux and powerful key to his philosophy. And it is what made the CRITIQUE so necessary and meaningful for the development of philosophy

                        The best of these critical realists, therefore, opted to accept only the patterns of thought as the real encounter, whether contentless or filled with unreliable sense data, whose decriptions gives us a knowledge by description. This knowledge by description through the categories of reason, the patterns or templates, is the only knowledge which they asseverate as universal and necessary truth.

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                        Suki: The last paragraph....in which patterns of thought and description of knowledge. That sounds so similar to what is used in cultural anthropology of thick description. You try to find patterns that are consistent and serve some function of real utility to a culture's value system. Interesting.

                        Many things have logical explanations. Others take a while to try to see why it is done the way it is done.

                        Remember my sentence about the Church becoming this monster with a need to perpetuate itself....and the state as well? And the opiate of the people. And how hard it is to eradicate the opiates without the society being in agreement with its destruction. May I ask Eddie do you see organized religions as impediments to true freedom? I think you do. But so is an ex-alchoholic Eddie. They use alcohol to numb the pain. And many religious thoughts have so many cultural values ingrained in them. As a pattern religion is there.....with consistency in human culture. If it is, what is its function. I know for the communists the purpose of the church is to keep people from liberation. To use its emotionally based influences to keep them from looking at things with realism and struggle and then seeking to transform society. It is a social control. And quite an effective one. But how does one see spirituality as something good, and not as an oppressive institution? If religion serves a political/economic/social control purpose, it is a political institution and if you want to to eradicate it---how? With force? I think that is ineffective. I truly do. For once violence is the only recourse to change in society.....You open up Pandora's box for sure. Cortar cabeza porque alguien cree en Jesus o en Mohammad. No van ha ser socialmente responsables con eso tampoco. Igual que una ley prohibiendo bebidas alcoholicas. Solo van a seguir...pero a la escondida.

                        Quoting from your Post Eddier1:

                        For Kant this knowledge gives us reality, for him the rational is not the real, and the real is not the rational. This is the crux and powerful key to his philosophy. And it is what made the CRITIQUE so necessary and meaningful for the development of philosophy

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                        Suki:So what is reality? Critical realism? To err until development emerges....from the errors....filtered through and separated from the schaff of reckless emotional and sense data experiences. Optic distortions. You have made me think so much about so many things.....Eddie.


                        I am in such a hurry here. But please continue with the positives of freedom. And the synthesis in its unity. Those three very concise, and so filled with possibilities paragraphs among others.....it is SO ABSORBING. Please keep it coming along. I will do my best to think it over. Oh, the mundane calls once again.....don't stop. Please.

                        Suki.


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                          "And many religious thoughts have so many cultural values ingrained in them. As a pattern religion is there.....with consistency in human culture. If it is, what is its function. I know for the communists the purpose of the church is to keep people from liberation. To use its emotionally based influences to keep them from looking at things with realism and struggle and then seeking to transform society. It is a social control. And quite an effective one. But how does one see spirituality as something good, and not as an oppressive institution? If religion serves a political/economic/social control purpose, it is a political institution and if you want to to eradicate it---how? With force?"
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                          Aha...you in a sense answered your own question about religion. First you fell into the age-old error of the vaunted cultural values, such as can be readily seen in the paintings, architecture, music, of the great artists who sold their talents to the church, because it was the "only game in town" in their time. This great talent, the genuises of sculpture and art, and master building etc., all created the aura of "spirituality" that the basic foundations of religionism does not have! The Bible is one of the most contradictory and scandalous books ever written; it is downright indecent in many of the things said, and above all it glorifies war, genocide, and mayhem. Even the "gentle" Jesus lauded Jeremiah the Prophet who called for the genocide of the gentiles (like you and me, etc.) by giving us the cup of fury. So much for institutionalized cultural values, that without great artists and master builders would have been defunct long before now.

                          What, therefore, is to be done? And note that again you commit the usual error on that "spirituality" by going immediately to the dark side of the issue, and not the light of education first and foremost. Such darkness is endemic and universal to all religions in the world. You as an anthropologist must know that if you dig deep enough, you will always find it out, like heinous murder will always out.

                          Now, I said that education is the first choice of us communists, but we will defend ourselves against physical violence if we are attacked, and we expect that we will be attacked and are prepared to fight if necessary. We offer peaceful coexistence and education above all, but history has shown time and again that the so-called "spiritual leaders" conspire and plot to destroy communism, just like the present Pope in Rome did with Reagan who with the might of the American military forced the shut-down of the Soviet Union. We, therefore, are committed to not have a new DARK AGES, with us as the fodder for murder, torture, and/or any other kind of inhuman abuse.

                          Sounds like the religionists are political, eh; of course they are! Church politics is not spirituality, but I have addressed what that spirituality is in the lines above. They are political alright, and vicious and dangerous proved by history both in the past and recent. But we without hypocrisy are political too, and our power can come out of a 'gun' too if necessary. So my point is that we will and are duty-bound to 'Put Politics in Command', so that the proletarian revolution can continue, and the building of a communist society on a socialist world-wide scale can take place accordingly.

                          Enough for the nonce; I will take up your selected paragraphs that I wrote on Kant later when I have more time to devote to them.

                          BTW, if you get the URL from Stanley, make sure that in place of the .com you substitute .org, or he will send you on to a fixed location from which you cannot access the menu nor register. It will be a single webpage but it will be 'read only', and you know what that hack means already. LOL! You ought to get a gander how Jaakko has demolished the best of what the Maitreya Stanley has had to offer. You will learn lots and I think enjoy yourself to boot also.

                          E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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                          • #28
                            Eduardo

                            Thanks for the advice Eddier1 about the forum....but Rust put the website in his post and I got it from him. So I am going to be reading their posts. Jaako who is listed as being in Finland? Is extremely eloquent and informed. I know one should not have favorites in this forum or anywhere....but I have grown used to you. Lol. Oh, Eddie I will miss you. I will always check on you and Letty somehow.

                            Well, enough of that. Can you elaborate on what is real freedom? In the best sense. And how one strikes a balance between the many duties one must act on to have a life of productivity and service? From what I can gather from your last post, it is conquering fear...and not relying on myth and fantasy. I also think you appreciate art....but free of religious manipulation. Just for itself and nothing more? I think I am right about that statement. Do you think art has a purpose at all? Or is it just there because it is another form of human expression? And important one? I must say some of the most incredibly creative artists whose art is of the best quality have been communists and atheists. No doubt about it. But so have religious believers. Some of the art they have done is really lovely.

                            Do you think that patch of our brains that process the sense data and give us an 'acquaintance' with knowledge, is powerful? More powerful than many other abilities and capacities and when applied and given over to the entire collective society in sincere service.....it is the progressive and transformative force in society. Eddie, that is what true humanism and progress is. I am so excited again. Please don't stop posting your ideas about this. And please don't forget to mention the synthesis in its unity. How have you coped with contradiction and other problems in life? How has philosophy brought you that sol de la mente...we all seek?

                            Suki

                            PS. I have always known organized religions are political institutions. And why human beings if truly religious in an institutionalized way can become fanatical and intolerant. That is no surprise. You are right about my knowing that. I am not blind to any of the dark parts of religion. One can't be if one loves studying the past...whether Ancient Aztec priests doing mass human sacrifices, or hipocritical and power hungry Popes using their political power for personal gains......

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                            • #29
                              Re: Eduardo

                              Originally posted by Suki
                              Thanks for the advice Eddier1 about the forum....but Rust put the website in his post and I got it from him. So I am going to be reading their posts. Jaako who is listed as being in Finland? Is extremely eloquent and informed. I know one should not have favorites in this forum or anywhere....but I have grown used to you. Lol. Oh, Eddie I will miss you. I will always check on you and Letty somehow.

                              Well, enough of that. Can you elaborate on what is real freedom? In the best sense. And how one strikes a balance between the many duties one must act on to have a life of productivity and service? From what I can gather from your last post, it is conquering fear...and not relying on myth and fantasy. I also think you appreciate art....but free of religious manipulation. Just for itself and nothing more? I think I am right about that statement. Do you think art has a purpose at all? Or is it just there because it is another form of human expression? And important one? I must say some of the most incredibly creative artists whose art is of the best quality have been communists and atheists. No doubt about it. But so have religious believers. Some of the art they have done is really lovely.

                              Do you think that patch of our brains that process the sense data and give us an 'acquaintance' with knowledge, is powerful? More powerful than many other abilities and capacities and when applied and given over to the entire collective society in sincere service.....it is the progressive and transformative force in society. Eddie, that is what true humanism and progress is. I am so excited again. Please don't stop posting your ideas about this. And please don't forget to mention the synthesis in its unity. How have you coped with contradiction and other problems in life? How has philosophy brought you that sol de la mente...we all seek?

                              Suki

                              PS. I have always known organized religions are political institutions. And why human beings if truly religious in an institutionalized way can become fanatical and intolerant. That is no surprise. You are right about my knowing that. I am not blind to any of the dark parts of religion. One can't be if one loves studying the past...whether Ancient Aztec priests doing mass human sacrifices, or hipocritical and power hungry Popes using their political power for personal gains......
                              Since I have been redirected by you to Kant, I will try to address the issue of the "patch". About my definition of freedom given in 2001, it still stands. And all I said about it then and later on to Stanley confirms that. So yes, the 'bliss' of freedom is what it is all about. It is the answer to your question in those days as to what we (including Raul_g) held was the meaning or purpose of life. Didn't I make it clear and unequivocable to you? Honestly, I think that I spoke clearly and unequivocably as I possibly could. Nothing arcane about what I said; it is all the truth, and all above board. Why should I have to "rehash" that again? Is it because you feel that you are not free? And that you can't understand what I said, or don't agree with it? Listen for me it works, irregardless of what you or anyone else may opine differently. You know sometimes the most obvious things in life are the hardest to see, and I understand that, it is right in front of you so close to your eyes and nose, that sometimes it can't be focused on correctly and therefore it is not seen. Try again if you will.

                              Now to the patch...you mentioned it gives us knowledge by aquaintance and no that is incorrect; It gives us knowledge by description based on the patterns or concepts of the brain. Kant of course called them the categories of pure reason, i.e., quantity, quality, time and modality. To his opponents the critical realists, they eschewed his empirical bias for the knowledge by acquaintance, because they had done a thorough analysis of sense data, and found it so fraught with deceptions that they were totally unreliable as a source of reality. Some how, Kant, who didn't have the benefit of the modern physiologists work in dissecting the brain, and hence revealing the "patch", based his real encounter with the external world on his acquaintance with it through the senses. Okay, then we have a classic contradiction between him and the critical realists. They accepted the patterns or the templates of reason, i.e., the concepts as giving us the only encounter with reality, through the knowledge by description which the concepts provide us. They are realists, not in the classic sense of Plato, the REALIST, but in the modern sense of CRITICAL realism.

                              Now what do do with the contradiction which is unresolved between Kant and the critical realists. We the dialectical empiricists and/or materialists hold that the dialectical method, which is basically nothing less that the scientific method provides us with the methodology to go from what we know and make an inference to what we don't know, so that we can resolve the contradiction. The answer is found in the antithesis in its unity, which is a new synthesis of the opposites that provides knowledge which was formerly unknown. In science, it is usually the product of a biunique relationship, a one to one correlation, between explanation and prediction. In the most modern terms, explanation and prediction are one: to predict is to explain something scientifically, and it takes the way, shape, and form of a statistical coefficiency that provides an invariant relationship which is an iron law, or scientific law. Bringing all of this to the contradiction between Kant and the Critical Realists, dialectical materialism holds that the real encounter with reality, of course, is found in a synthesis between Kant's position of empirio-criticism and the position of the critical realists. The results of this antithesis in its unity is that the conditions of applicability ganered from Nature or the empirical world, whether they be through the senses, flawed as the transmission may be (see the new DNA studies as why they may be flawed, about the DNA codes being triggers that need to be switched on at the right time, with the correct quantity, quality, and modality which only Nature provides) CREATE the consciousness of man! And this is most seen in an overt way in the social conditions which create the social consciousness of man. Voila! the new synthesis or the antithesis in its unity is made and reality is the total experience between the sensory experiences of the external world and the internal experiences of the internal world of conceptualization and/or description.

                              Now you know the basics of my dialectical materialism as well as the importance of knowing Kant AND the work done by the critical realists, the latter being sometimes so remote that they are like distant stars almost unreachable by human imagination.

                              P.S. Bye Bye and may you survive your trip to Mexico and obtain your goals there.
                              E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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                                Ed it is late. Let me just say your post was highly informative and interesting. And no it is not a rehash just a different light on what you said in 2001.

                                I still have some clarifying questions on Kant. I will ask those later on. I don't leave for Mexico for another week and a half. But, I am not going to bother you with personalisms anymore. I just want to write to you about things we both can write about and learn.

                                I hope everything turns out ok too....Thanks for your good wishes.

                                What is freedom for me? It is simple. And you know me well enough now to know it.

                                Suki.

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