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    I guess you are just making fun of my posts about my dog and my husband....and think me some silly person again. What a fool I have been to think you were sincerely interested in my life. All human life has value Eddie. In some way. I am sure you know that. I might not have been a great Communist colonel with the Flying Tigers. Or a great and brilliant revolutionary and fought on the intrepid...and been a man who had to kill mad dogs in third world countries....or an adventurous and bright man like you. I have not gone through the Great Depression and seen what you have seen. Witnessed the things you have witnessed. Made the tough choices in life you have made. But, I have no doubts that my life has meaning. Important meaning. And that I belong where I am now in life. Eddie, I hope you have plenty of health...and all the good things in life to keep your struggle and your ways strong. Take care.

    You just ignore my frilly writing Eddie. I am a sincere socialist. And a sincere independentista. And a sincere fan of your posts. If that is something to scoff at and be judgemental about, aint nothing more to say.

    Well, I got a lot of work to do tomorrow. Take care of yourself Eddie in the East Coast. Don't let the achaques or stuff keep you from resting fitfully. Ay Eddie. Siempre voy a ver como te va...y si estas bien. Eres parte de este website no? Buenas noches.

    Suki.

    Cuidate---hombre complejo. Pero, ha sido un privilegio este domingo.



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    First off Eddie...like I have said before. Los communistas are very fortunate to have you in their ranks. And you are fortunate also to have them. That historical period was full of so much struggle. And the world has gained because of people of valor with the ability to sacrifice for their sincere convictions.

    Now, moving on to some surprising personal questions from you. My husband is actually doing well. He is losing weight and doing a lot of exercise (so am I). One has to be in shape to be a parent. There is something that worries me. But, as long as he is fine. I am fine. Letty likes my husband (and his boricua voice), right now he is Chinese school with a Chinese teacher from Beijing. His Mandarin improves everyday. And Xiao Ling laughs at his pronunciation...she can't say GRACIAS to save her life. The 'r' gets her everytime. Lol. She gave Hector the loveliest chopsticks to eat with I have ever seen. Delicately handpainted. She dresses in the most elegant traditional Chinese clothes, and cooks him the best tasting Chinese dumplings I have ever eaten. He is quite overwhelmed with enthusiasm every time she comes over to teach him new words and to scold him when he writes the characters incorrectly or out of the correct order. Smile. He is filled with goals and dreams Eddie. They are really good ones. When we reach them....I think I will be quite satisfied with our lives in every way.

    Borges, cries like a banshee or like someone is beating him badly every time we leave even to go grocery shopping and don't take him along. You see Eddie, we have had the dog since he was three months of age. He was born in Kansas, but transported to Colorado at 2 weeks old along with his littermates and his mother Snow White. He comes from a long line of Championship Old English Sheepdogs. He grew up for eight weeks on a huge, beautiful log cabin mansion with rolling hills, melted snow peak filled creeks and pines and oaks.....he was the children's favorite and was held back because of it from being sold at 8 weeks old. He was the last of his litter and was awkward looking and all legs and adolescent like at 3 months. Borges weighs 95 pounds now. All muscle and big even for his breed. He has dark brown eyes ringed by black, his nose is completely black. His head is snow white completely white like his ears ( I am going to see if I can post his puppy studio photo in some forum one day so you can admire him too Eddie), and his coat is a pretty gray with a white ring near his rear. One time last year he had four red furrows made from a cat, on his nose (a cat had scratched his perfect black nose) and he came in moaning in pain...the big baby.
    Since HL works from home and his other jobs allowed him to take the Borges Ajedrez (that is his official name), with him, he has never really been alone. He stayed with us at Yautia's house on thanksgiving. He stays everywhere. I bathe him at a doggie laundormat a lot. To save money. At the doggy mat they charge $10 a wash, while the groomer for a bath and brush out of his long abundant spectacular hair costs from $40-$80 bucks a pop. I don't pay that for my hair....imaginate. BORGES HAS A WAITING LIST of people dying to dogsit for us Eddie. He does. He won best overall dog in the Puppy competition of obedience at Petsmart. And best trick learner for adults.He got free studio photos taken because of his 'blue ribbon wins'. Lol. He came out in an ad here for dog food. The animal is gorgeous, simpatico, super affectionate and well behaved and if I told you what he does---you would laugh and not believe me. Lol. HL worries about him and babies him endlessly. But the few times people have even spoken to HL roughly Borges really gets protective and HL can't wrestle or horseplay with his teen godsons because Borges will go after anyone who he thinks might hurt or even raise their voice at HL. But he is a gentle dog and is non-agressive towards other dogs and babies especially he is really gentle and mannerly with. HL bought him the funniest accesories a couple of years ago. Borges cracked the pads of his feet on some icy mountain trails and his pads bled....HL was concerned and now he puts these wrap around leather bottomed snow shoes on Borges' foot paw pads. And puts on this little ski like jacket on him to keep the frozen snow balls from sticking to the bottom of his long stomach hair and giving him chills. That is how I know HL will be a considerate father in every way. He worries about all those people and animals he loves the same way. With consideration and attention. It is wonderful to see. But, I think Borges does not like having his feet wrapped for his safety...he likes the risk in running through the deep powder snow for the sake of feeling free. I kinda like letting him take the risk...lol.

    Miguel asked 10 times to be the first to take care of him while we are gone. Then Adrian can have him for any other vacations or leaves of absence we have. Laura loves him too, but she has four cats....the worst is a black one called "Armando" and he does not like Borges at all. He likes a tortoiseshell longhaired beauty girl cat named "morena" also Laura's cat. Then there are many other folks who all want to dogsit him. He has fanaticada. Lol. True....it is sad to accept one is less popular than one's pet. How did I know Borges was our dog. Well, when HL and I were novios in Puerto Rico---we went to a cheap movie theater and talked about the kind of things we wanted to do with our lives. At the end of the movie called "F/X" there is a scene of some guy exiting a Swiss bank with a pair of dogs I think.....HL thought them beyond beautiful but did not know what breed they were....he asked me and I said, "Si son bellisimos, son 'Old English Sheepdogs' o perros ovejeros ingleses." No son buenos para el tropico...and then he said, "me gustaria tener uno de esos algun dia. Son caros? and I said, 'si'. Well Borges we got inexpensively since he was bigger than the other fluffball pups. And Borges and I have the same birthday. Just different years of course. And we found him on HL's birthday. And that was his wish too. He was destined for us.

    Thanks for asking about him Eddie. I hope I did not bore you with it. Lol. Muchos saludos.

    Suki

    [Edited by Suki on 7th March 2004 at 22:55]

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    "I got a chance to think more on your post Eddie. I am thinking it was wrong for the Comintern to NOT tell you what the purpose of your trip to Mexico was with Ramon. They should have told you. That they did not and you were left in that anxiety ridden state makes me think, it is very logical for you not to trust anybody in general."
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    Well first of all at that time I was a student of communism, and practically no more than a "gatekeeper" at the door of Knowledge, so I take the "tickets", but did not need to know what the strategy or tactics were about the game that was occurring. I understand all of that. So I find absolutely no fault with the NKVD for that, nor was I pumped up by their saying to me that I was the youngest Colonel in the NKVD ever commissioned. So I did know it had to be a mission of some sort, but never in a million years suspected that it would involve the destruction of Trotsky, who with his writings and actions was actually trying to split the Comintern asunder. And for that alone he deserved what he got.

    Next, so you see me as a very complex guy; well, alright, but take note that for communism things are not simple; officially they have always proved to be complicated and protracted. What more protracted than here on this forum, we are discussing the incident which took place cerca three quarters of a century ago?

    BTW, how is your husband? Don't worry, on this forum there are so few posters, and most come burdened with such questions and clouded issues that they will never pay attention to you speaking about your family here. It is at least a semi-private location where you can compart in "privacy" such data. Forget about Stan and the Maitreya False Profeta el Jibaro (I just loved the way Miranda destroyed him) they are already informed as to your family issues. The former takes a medical position as he should since he is into doing scans, and the latter is simply off the wall as a religionist and slanderer.

    Oops, a thought just prompted me to ask about who will take care of Borges your dog when you go on the trip to Mexico. He is such a wonderful part of your family, isn't he?

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    I got a chance to think more on your post Eddie. I am thinking it was wrong for the Comintern to NOT tell you what the purpose of your trip to Mexico was with Ramon. They should have told you. That they did not and you were left in that anxiety ridden state makes me think, it is very logical for you not to trust anybody in general.

    That you remain loyal and faithful to your ideology and philosophy just lets me know just how fine a personal character you have. Murder is something so incredibly horrific and way too heavy a burden for a young man to be dealing with. Eddie, I don't know how the hell you cope psychologically with all the crap life has dealt you over the years. I have bits and pieces of a puzzle of a life you have told me over three years. I can piece them together, journalism style and come up with a complete picture with holes...but, I would never ever do that without your permission. Te respeto demasiado. I have come to really respect your need for being private in general. Why do I sincerely like such incredibly complex individuals I will never know. But I do.

    But, all of us have beautiful moments in this life as well. I remember you stating a few of them. Hold on to those beautiful moments, Eddie. For even though I don't know you in a traditional sense. Only in the fantasy of cyberspace....you and your way of thought has touched my emotions deeply. I don't know why you in particular. I think it is because you were so understanding about how I felt about my father initially. And also because you are an articulate, erudite man with such a dynamic mind. And because you have read a lot of my written posts over the years. Why you do....is still a bit of a mystery to me. But I appreciate it so much. Eddie, one more thing before I go to bed next to the most wonderful man in the world....mi esposo amado...you write such great stories too....I will always consider you an artist. Even though you might not agree with that. And I do believe you. I always have. And I accept you the way you are. Imperfections, flaws and all. All people come with baggage. The ones worth time and effort come with heavy baggage. But Eddie, whatever problems and differences that might arise in this online acquaintanceship between you and I....I will always consider you worth all the trouble, tears, pain and problems worth the price to also have the privelege of reading your honest thoughts and having your attention and being your 'student'. You are worth it all. Y que riqueza tienes incomparable Eddie....vale todo y mas para tener el privilegio de leer tus pensamientos.

    Con muchisimo respeto,

    Vida

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    Eddier1

    What a revelation this last post is for me. I don't know what to tell you Eddie. Ay Eddie, no matter what happened to you....and that experience in a Mexican prison must have been horrible. You were a young man. In the 1930's? Have you been to Mexico on a visit since then? Well, I don't want to be a metiche. But I am so glad you told me your reasons dearest Eddie.

    Yes, I was aware Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo were members of the Communist party. Both controversial members. Yes, rumors of Trotsky having an affair with Kahlo. But Mr. Diego Rivera was a notorious womanizer as well. That marriage was complicated to say the least. Both were enormous talents in the art they produced.

    You know Eddie, your life is full of so much struggle. I don't know why but all I want to do when I read some of your struggles....is protect you somehow. That is stupid isn't it? To have feelings of that nature for someone a lot older and a lot stronger and more experienced than one is. But I do. I just want to protect you and take any bitterness or bad memories away. And take away any pain or discomfort.

    Forgive me for being that way if you don't like it. I don't want to make you uncomfortable. I wish you could be on the train with us "Copper Canyon Railroad Journey" from Chihuahua City to Los Mochis. The note to mama, she knows some interesting folks in Chihuahua, an archaeologist among others...we are going to get together....for some fun things. All of us. Not just for the adoption beaurocracy. It is a secret. Lol. It is. God, how I wish I could really talk to you in private. But this is it.

    Meanwhile, take care of yourself Eddie. You are irreplaceable and inimitable. And your absence from this board will dim my enthusiasm for pr.com about 95% percent.

    Your anecdote made me so happy...it was a little piece of you. Thanks.

    Vida

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    Originally posted by Suki
    Ed it is late. Let me just say your post was highly informative and interesting. And no it is not a rehash just a different light on what you said in 2001.

    I still have some clarifying questions on Kant. I will ask those later on. I don't leave for Mexico for another week and a half. But, I am not going to bother you with personalisms anymore. I just want to write to you about things we both can write about and learn.

    I hope everything turns out ok too....Thanks for your good wishes.

    What is freedom for me? It is simple. And you know me well enough now to know it.

    Suki.
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    Just returned from reading some of your posts on the other forums, and the one about your "curiosity" about where I visited in Mexico. In fact, I got the impression that you were taken aback by that. I don't make things up. Going way back to the 1930's, after my tour of duty with the Brigade, such as it was, I met quite a few comrades among the Espanoles, as you ought to accept as feasible.

    And yes later, on a trip to the Soviet Union, I got introduced to Ramon Mercader, the Spanish Commie, who had participated in the Civil War, and moved on to Russia, establishing residency there. He was NKVD by that time, later to become the KGB. And held the rank of a Colonel, as is usual with high profile agents. Moreover, I was still a youngster compared to him, and he was most cordial about my participation in the Civil War.

    Mercader, as you may already know, was recruited later to end the International Crisis caused in the Comintern by Trotsky. And he did as you also probably know. Now, seeing as how I really did not want to return to the U.S., after having known starvation there twice during the Great Depression, the NKVD asked me if I would like to accompany Merceder to Mexico, like a younger brother sort of. I guess it suited their purpose to disguise his mission by having a youngster with him. Since I had never been to Mexico, and had heard about it as being a former Spanish colony, like Puerto Rico, I accepted the all expenses paid trip, and on we went to Helsinki Station in Finland, there to catch a vessel to the New World. BTW, you mentioned that Comrade Jaakko is now in Finland. His home communist party is the British Communist Party in which his speciality is Trade Union stuff, like recruiting and organizing the workers of England. It is not a stretch to understand that he visits other countries with similar Labor Issues, and the Finnish Communist Party probably invited him to visit and work with them for a while. I am optimistic that answered your unusual remark about Jaakko being in Finland. And gave me a clue that you have been reading there, more than you admit. But that's okay.

    Back to the issue of Mexico. Of course, I visited the capitol there, and other parts of Mexico, even Alcapulco and Puerto Vallarda etc....saw the Aztec temples, and all the other tourist delights so highley touted now-a-days, But in those days, they were not what they are today. They were largely undeveloped, no real luxuries at all. Just beautiful natural scenary mostly. I did much investigating of the Mexicans, speaking with them and evaluating them, but the most important Mexican I met was in the home of Diego Rivera, the great muralist painter. If you don't know, he was an Orthodox Communist even then, like Picasso was, too. His wife Freda was something else again, a great exotic beauty and very intelligent who supported her husband in everything.

    As destiny would have it, it was to Diego's home that Trotsky was given residence after he was forced into exile by Comrade Stalin. Are you getting the picture? Mercader showing up there with me tagging along, not knowing what his mission was. Well Rivera sat down with him and after the usual comraderly discussions about the crises in the Comintern, he revealed the problem he was having with Trotsky who was trying to seduce his wife Freda. Rivera was very sad, and even through his brown complexion, I could detect a hint of pallor that was unusual, like a man under intense pressure that caused his blood to go to the center or core of his body.

    Well, you read history and already know what Mercader did. He completed his mission and ended Trotsky's life. Need I say more. Yes, I ought to say that later when we headed out for other parts of Mexico, with the intention of making connections 'rumbo' the Soviet Union, we were intercepted by the Mexican Federal Police who had received a tip from guess who, I am loathe to say it, but Rivera did not want to be involved and had shown his great distaste for bloody violence being committed in his home. Yeah, yeah...he was Mexican and privileged and they believed him and left him out of it all. But Mercader and my poor self were incacerated in one of the filthest Mexican federal prisons you can imagine.

    My first, dislike of Mexican ways, was sine die! However, some how, some way, they found out about me having nominal American citizenship; they didn't find out ever I was Puerto Rican, and given my youth I was immediately released without any charges being brought. Diego Rivera knew I had American citizenship, and I like to believe, it was he who got me out of that hell-hole prison. But you know the rest of the story, or at least should and know that Ramon Mercader was given a life sentence, and after many, many years, the Mexicans finally gave him a parole with the previso that he leave Mexico as an Undesireable Persona non Grata, and the Soviet Union affirmed their willingness to provide him transportation back to the Soviet Union. And he lived there for the rest of his days. After all, he was still a Colonel in the KGB in good standing with the Communist World.

    There are other negative experiences that I had in Mexico, nothing positive really ever happened, too bad, but nothing can compare with what I have written above. It was the worst of the worst experiences I ever had with the Mejicanos. Punto y se Acabo!

    P.S., the reason that I thought you were leaving for Mexico in three days was because you posted on the Board that your Mama should be at your home by March the seventh at the latest. So what else was I to think about your itinery?

    Good luck, nevertheless!

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    Ed it is late. Let me just say your post was highly informative and interesting. And no it is not a rehash just a different light on what you said in 2001.

    I still have some clarifying questions on Kant. I will ask those later on. I don't leave for Mexico for another week and a half. But, I am not going to bother you with personalisms anymore. I just want to write to you about things we both can write about and learn.

    I hope everything turns out ok too....Thanks for your good wishes.

    What is freedom for me? It is simple. And you know me well enough now to know it.

    Suki.

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    Re: Eduardo

    Originally posted by Suki
    Thanks for the advice Eddier1 about the forum....but Rust put the website in his post and I got it from him. So I am going to be reading their posts. Jaako who is listed as being in Finland? Is extremely eloquent and informed. I know one should not have favorites in this forum or anywhere....but I have grown used to you. Lol. Oh, Eddie I will miss you. I will always check on you and Letty somehow.

    Well, enough of that. Can you elaborate on what is real freedom? In the best sense. And how one strikes a balance between the many duties one must act on to have a life of productivity and service? From what I can gather from your last post, it is conquering fear...and not relying on myth and fantasy. I also think you appreciate art....but free of religious manipulation. Just for itself and nothing more? I think I am right about that statement. Do you think art has a purpose at all? Or is it just there because it is another form of human expression? And important one? I must say some of the most incredibly creative artists whose art is of the best quality have been communists and atheists. No doubt about it. But so have religious believers. Some of the art they have done is really lovely.

    Do you think that patch of our brains that process the sense data and give us an 'acquaintance' with knowledge, is powerful? More powerful than many other abilities and capacities and when applied and given over to the entire collective society in sincere service.....it is the progressive and transformative force in society. Eddie, that is what true humanism and progress is. I am so excited again. Please don't stop posting your ideas about this. And please don't forget to mention the synthesis in its unity. How have you coped with contradiction and other problems in life? How has philosophy brought you that sol de la mente...we all seek?

    Suki

    PS. I have always known organized religions are political institutions. And why human beings if truly religious in an institutionalized way can become fanatical and intolerant. That is no surprise. You are right about my knowing that. I am not blind to any of the dark parts of religion. One can't be if one loves studying the past...whether Ancient Aztec priests doing mass human sacrifices, or hipocritical and power hungry Popes using their political power for personal gains......
    Since I have been redirected by you to Kant, I will try to address the issue of the "patch". About my definition of freedom given in 2001, it still stands. And all I said about it then and later on to Stanley confirms that. So yes, the 'bliss' of freedom is what it is all about. It is the answer to your question in those days as to what we (including Raul_g) held was the meaning or purpose of life. Didn't I make it clear and unequivocable to you? Honestly, I think that I spoke clearly and unequivocably as I possibly could. Nothing arcane about what I said; it is all the truth, and all above board. Why should I have to "rehash" that again? Is it because you feel that you are not free? And that you can't understand what I said, or don't agree with it? Listen for me it works, irregardless of what you or anyone else may opine differently. You know sometimes the most obvious things in life are the hardest to see, and I understand that, it is right in front of you so close to your eyes and nose, that sometimes it can't be focused on correctly and therefore it is not seen. Try again if you will.

    Now to the patch...you mentioned it gives us knowledge by aquaintance and no that is incorrect; It gives us knowledge by description based on the patterns or concepts of the brain. Kant of course called them the categories of pure reason, i.e., quantity, quality, time and modality. To his opponents the critical realists, they eschewed his empirical bias for the knowledge by acquaintance, because they had done a thorough analysis of sense data, and found it so fraught with deceptions that they were totally unreliable as a source of reality. Some how, Kant, who didn't have the benefit of the modern physiologists work in dissecting the brain, and hence revealing the "patch", based his real encounter with the external world on his acquaintance with it through the senses. Okay, then we have a classic contradiction between him and the critical realists. They accepted the patterns or the templates of reason, i.e., the concepts as giving us the only encounter with reality, through the knowledge by description which the concepts provide us. They are realists, not in the classic sense of Plato, the REALIST, but in the modern sense of CRITICAL realism.

    Now what do do with the contradiction which is unresolved between Kant and the critical realists. We the dialectical empiricists and/or materialists hold that the dialectical method, which is basically nothing less that the scientific method provides us with the methodology to go from what we know and make an inference to what we don't know, so that we can resolve the contradiction. The answer is found in the antithesis in its unity, which is a new synthesis of the opposites that provides knowledge which was formerly unknown. In science, it is usually the product of a biunique relationship, a one to one correlation, between explanation and prediction. In the most modern terms, explanation and prediction are one: to predict is to explain something scientifically, and it takes the way, shape, and form of a statistical coefficiency that provides an invariant relationship which is an iron law, or scientific law. Bringing all of this to the contradiction between Kant and the Critical Realists, dialectical materialism holds that the real encounter with reality, of course, is found in a synthesis between Kant's position of empirio-criticism and the position of the critical realists. The results of this antithesis in its unity is that the conditions of applicability ganered from Nature or the empirical world, whether they be through the senses, flawed as the transmission may be (see the new DNA studies as why they may be flawed, about the DNA codes being triggers that need to be switched on at the right time, with the correct quantity, quality, and modality which only Nature provides) CREATE the consciousness of man! And this is most seen in an overt way in the social conditions which create the social consciousness of man. Voila! the new synthesis or the antithesis in its unity is made and reality is the total experience between the sensory experiences of the external world and the internal experiences of the internal world of conceptualization and/or description.

    Now you know the basics of my dialectical materialism as well as the importance of knowing Kant AND the work done by the critical realists, the latter being sometimes so remote that they are like distant stars almost unreachable by human imagination.

    P.S. Bye Bye and may you survive your trip to Mexico and obtain your goals there.

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    Eduardo

    Thanks for the advice Eddier1 about the forum....but Rust put the website in his post and I got it from him. So I am going to be reading their posts. Jaako who is listed as being in Finland? Is extremely eloquent and informed. I know one should not have favorites in this forum or anywhere....but I have grown used to you. Lol. Oh, Eddie I will miss you. I will always check on you and Letty somehow.

    Well, enough of that. Can you elaborate on what is real freedom? In the best sense. And how one strikes a balance between the many duties one must act on to have a life of productivity and service? From what I can gather from your last post, it is conquering fear...and not relying on myth and fantasy. I also think you appreciate art....but free of religious manipulation. Just for itself and nothing more? I think I am right about that statement. Do you think art has a purpose at all? Or is it just there because it is another form of human expression? And important one? I must say some of the most incredibly creative artists whose art is of the best quality have been communists and atheists. No doubt about it. But so have religious believers. Some of the art they have done is really lovely.

    Do you think that patch of our brains that process the sense data and give us an 'acquaintance' with knowledge, is powerful? More powerful than many other abilities and capacities and when applied and given over to the entire collective society in sincere service.....it is the progressive and transformative force in society. Eddie, that is what true humanism and progress is. I am so excited again. Please don't stop posting your ideas about this. And please don't forget to mention the synthesis in its unity. How have you coped with contradiction and other problems in life? How has philosophy brought you that sol de la mente...we all seek?

    Suki

    PS. I have always known organized religions are political institutions. And why human beings if truly religious in an institutionalized way can become fanatical and intolerant. That is no surprise. You are right about my knowing that. I am not blind to any of the dark parts of religion. One can't be if one loves studying the past...whether Ancient Aztec priests doing mass human sacrifices, or hipocritical and power hungry Popes using their political power for personal gains......

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    "And many religious thoughts have so many cultural values ingrained in them. As a pattern religion is there.....with consistency in human culture. If it is, what is its function. I know for the communists the purpose of the church is to keep people from liberation. To use its emotionally based influences to keep them from looking at things with realism and struggle and then seeking to transform society. It is a social control. And quite an effective one. But how does one see spirituality as something good, and not as an oppressive institution? If religion serves a political/economic/social control purpose, it is a political institution and if you want to to eradicate it---how? With force?"
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    Aha...you in a sense answered your own question about religion. First you fell into the age-old error of the vaunted cultural values, such as can be readily seen in the paintings, architecture, music, of the great artists who sold their talents to the church, because it was the "only game in town" in their time. This great talent, the genuises of sculpture and art, and master building etc., all created the aura of "spirituality" that the basic foundations of religionism does not have! The Bible is one of the most contradictory and scandalous books ever written; it is downright indecent in many of the things said, and above all it glorifies war, genocide, and mayhem. Even the "gentle" Jesus lauded Jeremiah the Prophet who called for the genocide of the gentiles (like you and me, etc.) by giving us the cup of fury. So much for institutionalized cultural values, that without great artists and master builders would have been defunct long before now.

    What, therefore, is to be done? And note that again you commit the usual error on that "spirituality" by going immediately to the dark side of the issue, and not the light of education first and foremost. Such darkness is endemic and universal to all religions in the world. You as an anthropologist must know that if you dig deep enough, you will always find it out, like heinous murder will always out.

    Now, I said that education is the first choice of us communists, but we will defend ourselves against physical violence if we are attacked, and we expect that we will be attacked and are prepared to fight if necessary. We offer peaceful coexistence and education above all, but history has shown time and again that the so-called "spiritual leaders" conspire and plot to destroy communism, just like the present Pope in Rome did with Reagan who with the might of the American military forced the shut-down of the Soviet Union. We, therefore, are committed to not have a new DARK AGES, with us as the fodder for murder, torture, and/or any other kind of inhuman abuse.

    Sounds like the religionists are political, eh; of course they are! Church politics is not spirituality, but I have addressed what that spirituality is in the lines above. They are political alright, and vicious and dangerous proved by history both in the past and recent. But we without hypocrisy are political too, and our power can come out of a 'gun' too if necessary. So my point is that we will and are duty-bound to 'Put Politics in Command', so that the proletarian revolution can continue, and the building of a communist society on a socialist world-wide scale can take place accordingly.

    Enough for the nonce; I will take up your selected paragraphs that I wrote on Kant later when I have more time to devote to them.

    BTW, if you get the URL from Stanley, make sure that in place of the .com you substitute .org, or he will send you on to a fixed location from which you cannot access the menu nor register. It will be a single webpage but it will be 'read only', and you know what that hack means already. LOL! You ought to get a gander how Jaakko has demolished the best of what the Maitreya Stanley has had to offer. You will learn lots and I think enjoy yourself to boot also.

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    I found these three paragraphs in your post very, very interesting Eddie (I hope you elaborate):

    His philosophy leaned more to the empirio-criticism as having the real encounter, and his critique of pure reason demonstrated how the patterns of thought are 'contentless' until they receive the sense data effects garnered through the knowledge we obtain of the empirical world through 'acquaintance with it'.

    For Kant this knowledge gives us reality, for him the rational is not the real, and the real is not the rational. This is the crux and powerful key to his philosophy. And it is what made the CRITIQUE so necessary and meaningful for the development of philosophy

    The best of these critical realists, therefore, opted to accept only the patterns of thought as the real encounter, whether contentless or filled with unreliable sense data, whose decriptions gives us a knowledge by description. This knowledge by description through the categories of reason, the patterns or templates, is the only knowledge which they asseverate as universal and necessary truth.

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    Suki: The last paragraph....in which patterns of thought and description of knowledge. That sounds so similar to what is used in cultural anthropology of thick description. You try to find patterns that are consistent and serve some function of real utility to a culture's value system. Interesting.

    Many things have logical explanations. Others take a while to try to see why it is done the way it is done.

    Remember my sentence about the Church becoming this monster with a need to perpetuate itself....and the state as well? And the opiate of the people. And how hard it is to eradicate the opiates without the society being in agreement with its destruction. May I ask Eddie do you see organized religions as impediments to true freedom? I think you do. But so is an ex-alchoholic Eddie. They use alcohol to numb the pain. And many religious thoughts have so many cultural values ingrained in them. As a pattern religion is there.....with consistency in human culture. If it is, what is its function. I know for the communists the purpose of the church is to keep people from liberation. To use its emotionally based influences to keep them from looking at things with realism and struggle and then seeking to transform society. It is a social control. And quite an effective one. But how does one see spirituality as something good, and not as an oppressive institution? If religion serves a political/economic/social control purpose, it is a political institution and if you want to to eradicate it---how? With force? I think that is ineffective. I truly do. For once violence is the only recourse to change in society.....You open up Pandora's box for sure. Cortar cabeza porque alguien cree en Jesus o en Mohammad. No van ha ser socialmente responsables con eso tampoco. Igual que una ley prohibiendo bebidas alcoholicas. Solo van a seguir...pero a la escondida.

    Quoting from your Post Eddier1:

    For Kant this knowledge gives us reality, for him the rational is not the real, and the real is not the rational. This is the crux and powerful key to his philosophy. And it is what made the CRITIQUE so necessary and meaningful for the development of philosophy

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    Suki:So what is reality? Critical realism? To err until development emerges....from the errors....filtered through and separated from the schaff of reckless emotional and sense data experiences. Optic distortions. You have made me think so much about so many things.....Eddie.


    I am in such a hurry here. But please continue with the positives of freedom. And the synthesis in its unity. Those three very concise, and so filled with possibilities paragraphs among others.....it is SO ABSORBING. Please keep it coming along. I will do my best to think it over. Oh, the mundane calls once again.....don't stop. Please.

    Suki.


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    Where is the forum they are at so I can join and learn more? Thank you.


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    Loathe to say it, but if you ask the Maitreya Stanley, he can give you the URL in HTML format, which will enable you to click on it and go directly to the website. As you know, I have been restricted by this forum from using HTML formatting and image downloads, from day one, even though I asked for these applications when I joined. Ahahaha...they must have had some former alert on who they were allowing into the forum, and handicapped me from day one. LOL!!!

    BTW, he Stan continues to lie through his teeth. He calls us commies 'gentilhommes'; what a joke about what might have been had we not been communists. But hey, if you get enrolled at the website, you can do a search of what he has written and the replies by others, many of which consider him a spaced out dreamer, a utopian without direction. And some have even cursed him out; one even told him to "f.uck-off" when Stanley kept up with his empollon ways of calling the communists 'zoo keepers of people' who deny them their freedom

    Speaking of freedom again, let me say quickly that there is such a thing as an 'unenchained mind'. And that 'freedom' which ought to be our purpose in life, and the meaning of it, is often ignored by many people, who seem to have an instinct not for achieving freedom, but for conquering their fear of the unknown. Such fear is the main obstacle to achieving freedom, and is oft ensnared by religionism and utopian ideologies that are sheer pap. But religionism is the most as the problem, as the fantasies which are created are simply that "fantasies" to cope with the world which is too much for most people. However, the real culprit is the realigionist organizations, which impose their faiths mostly by force as history has shown. And these religionists organizations are something that we commies have to deal with, and not ignore. They have to be dealt with. But more later when I have more time to discuss the positive values of FREEDOM!

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    "What are we the sums of our experiences, Eddie? But that which that small patch of our brain processes. What are cognitive abilities allow and how all that data is interpreted through our 'filters' linguistic, cognitive, and experiential.

    Yet what we choose to do with that 'knowledge' gleaned from experience is what I am thinking dialectical materialism might fit in to this philosophical stream."

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    Not simply the sums of our experiences, because the whole is always greater than the sum of its parts. And that patch of our brains through which we perceive the external world is not as small or insignificant as it might seem to be. Of course, according the the physiologists who dissected the brain and added this scientific knowledge, what they discovered was not available to Kant in his day. But he did get it right when he stated that the sense data received by our optic nerves is shaped by the categories of reason, the patterns of thought in terms of quantity, quality, time, and modality.

    His philosophy leaned more to the empirio-criticism as having the real encounter, and his critique of pure reason demonstrated how the patterns of thought are 'contentless' until they receive the sense data effects garnered through the knowledge we obtain of the empirical world through 'acquaintance with it'.

    For Kant this knowledge gives us reality, for him the rational is not the real, and the real is not the rational. This is the crux and powerful key to his philosophy. And it is what made the CRITIQUE so necessary and meaningful for the development of philosophy. Up to this time, the rational in terms of archetypes, or the categories and/or the patterns (or the templates as we now say) had content and was real content. That is, content that was universal and necessary truths.

    But later on came the critical realist movement, which having the advantage of knowing the findings of the modern physiologists, argued that the world of sense data from the external or empirical realm is no more a real encounter than the experience we have of the 'contentless patterns of thought'. They, therefore, proved the unreliablity of sense data by critical analysis of the perspective, temporal and spacial illusions, and a plethora of other errors that sense data transmission is heir-to.

    The best of these critical realists, therefore, opted to accept only the patterns of thought as the real encounter, whether contentless or filled with unreliable sense data, whose decriptions gives us a knowledge by description. This knowledge by description through the categories of reason, the patterns or templates, is the only knowledge which they asseverate as universal and necessary truth.

    This isn't really much different from Plato's realism based on the archetypes. But since the critical analysis of the empirical as opposed to the rational was extensively carried out by them, and their works can be found in the modern libraries to attest to their work, they were justified in calling themselves not Realists in the Platonic sense (classical) but realists in the critical sense. Hence, they are known as Critical Realists as opposed to Kantians and/or neo-Kantians.

    Later, perhaps, I will get the time to show how dialectical materialism uses the dialectical method to make an antithesis in its unity, or a synthesis of reality, out of the synthetic apriori real encounter of Kant, and the sense data analyses of the critical realism of the Critical Realist's Movement.

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    Hey I am not as inept as I thought. I bypassed the restriction. Jaja. I feel like I won the lottery. Now I know what to do.

    Eddie let us keep going with Kant. I truly and sincerely want to do a good job here. And after Kant Shakespeare too? I want to explore themes of interest with you. I truly do.

    Here is a general philosophical question for you....Can one truly be free in one's mind? No matter in which physical environment one is in? I think RepublicadePR posted an independentista who went to jail for the Wells Fargo thing back in 1980's and he stated that he learned to look for freedom in his mind. Mandela mentioned something similar in his experiences on Robin's Island in South Africa. I remember you mentioning what you felt the meaning of life was....way back in 2001 August...right here. When I first decided to take the plunge and attempt to get on this medium. You said "freedom" was the most important thing. The bliss of freedom. How we love as human beings to create our own prisons don't we? With enchained minds, thoughts, and limitations? With being bounders and roller coaster people, and wanting unreasonable things. Yet is it all because we desperately want that which is of the essence? FREEDOM---and most of our errors of judgement and thought---is our quest for freedom of all sorts.

    Freedom of the mind---maybe it is found in disciplining it, and sacrificing for those things you mention like duty and responsibility. A man of conscience does not respond to reward or punishment. But to duty. And acts accordingly. I learn from you all the time something new. Never do you disappoint. Good Night. I hope you reply soon. But if you don't. May you keep your freedom.....compa....forever.

    Suki.

    I guess I am not as bad at compu tech stuff as I thought. Good. I am adapting. BTW, where may I dialog with all these brilliant communists Eddier1? Where is the forum they are at so I can join and learn more? Thank you.

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    Getting back on track!!!

    There are some Kantian concepts mentioned in his work and in your great excerpt on him that popped out at me....

    between things-in-themselves and things-as-they-appear.

    Concept of Negative Magnitudes into Philosophy (Eng. trans., 1911), he argued that some physical relations, such as causality, cannot be reduced to logical relations, and in Enquiry into the Proofs for the Existence of God

    What are we the sums of our experiences, Eddie? But that which that small patch of our brain processes. What are cognitive abilities allow and how all that data is interpreted through our 'filters' linguistic, cognitive, and experiential.

    Yet what we choose to do with that 'knowledge' gleaned from experience is what I am thinking dialectical materialism might fit in to this philosophical stream.

    Yes, some eternal human questions can't be answered. As you have stated many times. We are limited and we err, so trying to prove that which is not based on anything within human capacity to experience would logically fall into metaphysical, esoteric and that is all open to speculation and not scientific. But science progresses so do we....and yes, technology (including computers are our tools to progress and to making new findings and building on older knowledge). Yet I hope we don't lose that which is most important. The source of all our wealth. Material and human labor resides in human beings. And making human beings be able to be the best they are capable of being (realizing our potential as a species), is the duty of us all.

    I am thinking appearance of something does not make it what it is. Yet what is society, but an agreed upon construction of reality within a social concept? What is society but a series of ideas and principles based on not only practical material needs of human beings, but on their mental and subjective concepts of what life is about filtered through the small patch of each individual members brain? And the sum of their experiences. Both as a group and as individual members of that group with their own cultural shared values.

    What is a critique of judgement? It is ultimately our ability to interpret our world and all its tools and resources, and the sum of our experiences in all its truth and making decisions based on that. Hopefully to serve the greater good. For all we are is one small part of the whole. And the whole is only good if most of its parts are acting thinking of the whole.

    How does one separate what one knows and perceives as truthful from what might be 'wishful thinking' or seeing things through a slightly modified way? I am thinking that is what you said Eddie, about humans not really being 100% confident that what they have experienced with some distance and time involved it might not be all certain. What is certain is that which gives consistent results. Based on study, reflection, and observation. And with logic based on that judgement of group acquired thought and dedication. Science makes the attempt. And modifies as it goes along. Trial and error. Always retaining that which is predictable and consistent and discarding that which is difficult to initially prove, until the technology eventually exists to test the theories and advance the theory. Constant revisions. Adaptation. To it all. Our ability to learn and acquire knowledge through real mistakes, might be our greatest weapon against stagnation. The err part might the reason for the successes. It sounds very philosophical doesn't it? Lol.

    I will be back with more detailed questions on Kant. Please forgive all the time I spent on other themes in this thread. Thanks for being patient with me.

    Suki.



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