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  • #31
    epifanía.
    (Del lat. epiphan¥a, y este del gr. ?<pi>ɫɔ?ÉÀÉ?É«Éø, manifestación).
    1. f. Manifestación, aparición.
    2. f. Festividad que celebra la Iglesia anualmente el día 6 de enero.


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    • #32
      Comunismo: Un concepto muy simple, pero a la misma vez lleno de contradicciones.

      La naturaleza del individuo comunista es la de no ser nacionalista. Sin embargo, es posible apoyar el nacionalismo--- o en nuestro caso la indepencia si esto enfoca al populacho hacia el Marxismo. Esto es nada mas y nada menos que el túico pragmatismo de esos seres de color rojo.


      Communism, a branch of socialism, is a social system, characterized by lack of private property. The community as a whole owns the means of production and thus the profit is shared equally with everyone. In theory, labor would be divided up among all citizens according to ability and interest and resources would be distributed according to need. There would also be no ruler, no president, king or dictator.


      Nuestros amigos comunistas odian a los anarquistas, sin embargo la propia literatura de este movimiento nefasto nos dice que en la última etapa no habrEgobierno. También se eliminaran las fronteras y paises. Al final de este marasmo seriamos cuidadanos del planeta Tierra. En vez de ser Cubanos, Puertorriqueños, o Suecos nos convertiremos en Terrú€olas. Y aquellos que se consideren Puerorriqueños seran castigados por el crimen del individualismo.

      Ese concepto en donde no hay gobierno es un ideal. Algo asEcomo morirse para tener vida eterna. Esto último es un concepto religioso y por ende se perdona la contradiccion. Sin embargo eso de vivir bajo una dictadura para luego vivir libre sin un gobierno opresor no se supone que sea religión. Esto nos regresa al tema de la contradicción------- Este ideal absurdo y psicótico solo se puede aceptar a base de una conversión religiosa. Para tragarse semejante cuento de adas hay que amanecerse un dia y mirar al cielo para buscar el amanecer rojo. Esto me recuerda esa mañana de color rojo cuando el camarada Eduardo se incEde rodillas y le entrego su almo al Señor Carlos Marx. [/B][/QUOTE]

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      Suki: Stanley, you fail to recognize something important in all this....in your constant references to Star Trek and the FUTURE of humanity in that oft quoted by you series....the ADVANCED societies...abolish the concepts of nations and borders...and they become a unified planet and then join the federation of planets....LOL. I only quote Star Trek because it is one of your favorite shows on TV. Trying to talk to you about socialism in any serious way is impossible.

      Ofcourse in the slavery days---people who were like you....would say----A future without slaves? Impossible. It can't be. Slavery is the ONLY way of generating wealth. Punto y se acabo. No such thing as a slave free society...cuento de adas...etc. etc. Sorry to break the news to you Stanley...but human society is not going to stay static in perpetual capitalism....and the third world countries perpetually fastidiados forevermore. Not even teutonic plates and terrestrial globe stays static...there are magnetic pole shifts too over time. EVERYTHING changes. And that includes human societies. Borders are already becoming less defined and more blurred...as time moves on. And societies progress. Unification of Europe, NAFTA, and many other continuing unities will continue to evolve. The question is---will we have continual wars because some countries want to DOMINATE world resources forever or not? I mean look at us now? Terrorism, environmental contamination, unequal power relationships between nations, between peoples....all can lead to BIG problems if socialist concepts are not implemented. And only class conscious concepts are the only followed policies. Because again...the problem will always be...the have nots don't have enough and the haves too much...in creates conflict of classes. Why do you think Turks are in France, Germany, etc.? Because Turkey is a POOR country compared to them. And same with Mexico and South America and Central America and the Caribbean with the USA. People who can't survive in their home countries will go to where they "think" they can survive. And the only way to stop that transference....is not what the Huntingtons think is the solution....it is to stop thinking there are no consequences to lack of means of surviving in the majority of the countries of the world who are being strangled by the corporate planet and the borderless companies out to make a buck at any cost. That is unprincipled....who are the borderless, nationless and most uninterested people in creating equality? The corporate planet....the faceless capitalists. They are changing? Again, change only happens with pressures....and if the socialists in the whole world did not pressure them....they would continue with their lack of ethics and humanity and lack of justice. That is the reality. Paint the capitalism all you want to suit your own selfish thoughts...and cheap social climbing...it aint gonna work. The majority of the people who work for a living and still have problems surviving won't be fooled by all the lies. They are not blind. Not like some.

      We must push for a society in which people are allowed to have basics met. Punto. Then when they are freed from that pressure....we can move on to development. Right now, we are not even in square one of insuring equal opportunities for all. WE ARE NOT there at all. No. Yet, Stanley wants to say we are okay in this system. Who is ok? You are Stanley? Again, the whole world is not you. Too many are not doing okay. If humanity has a shot at a future "Star Trek" society---of cultural diversity, and educated people and a United Planet taking care of each other in Unison....capitalism is not the system to follow for INFINITY...NO. Socialism is the first step to unite all of the species....and then cooperation and sharing of world resources in an equitable and civilized way....and if that is accomplished...the species is improving in a BIG way.

      It is better to die in struggle for a better society for all...than die defending an old one who no longer conforms to the new problems the world faces. Competing, fighting and trying to be world COP, world POWER and world Bully...with nuclear bombs running around in GREEDY hands made by GREEDY arms companies.....that are FULL believers in the GOD of Profit....will only lead to one thing.....EXTINCTION. Keep fighting for EXTINCTION Stanley. As a supposed doctor, you should be preserving life not killing it. And being world cops and greedmeisters with the corporate planet will lead us all to that. That is the reality of the premise of capitalism without frenos.


      Stanley, you love to distort. So, I will give you a taste of your own medicine of total distortion. Stanley here is an extreme individualist. He wouldn't care if they killed his family, his whole culture, language, island and history were to be wiped off the face of the earth....he wouldn't care about environmental contamination, or about anybody but himself. As long as he is content....his family, his neighborhood, his country, his island, his roots, his identity even his dignity is for sale to the highest bidder. He is as bad as Tim McVeigh another exremist right winger individualist with hatred for anything involving sharing anything with anyone who was not HIMSELF......his individualism got so extreme that blowing up children in some day care center was ok. After all he blew up IRaqi people's heads as a soldier in Desert Storm...why not kids...they weren't his kids (there were some other people's kids, and even his kids weren't him so what the heck killing those kids was okay in this sicko individualism to the extreme man's mind) Yes, Stanley follows the McVeigh man's philosophy....yep, this is a nefasto mentality and philosophy we are coping with folks....stamp out these individualists who promote selfishness to the extreme degree and have no obligations or sense of community or othership....STANLEY, te gusto la distorcion? No te gusto? Pues, debes de parar con las distorciones hacia el socialismo y el communismo....por que si no lo haces....vas a ser el Tim McVeigh boricua numero dos....el era libertarian y tambien haz dicho que tu eres uno. No te gusta que te distorcionen....pues, para el julepito....DO YOU SEE HOW idiotic it is to be A BIG LYING DISTORTER? I can be just as distorting about what you believe that you are being with me....will it further this dialog? For me to accuse you of thinking exactly the same way as McVeigh? Why do you think Raul g didn't like it one bit when he heard you were a libertarian....yep, they are extreme right wingers....who do not believe in any public anything....no public schools, publicly owned property, state-owned or gov't owned property, no social security, no unemployment insurance, no food stamp program, no school lunch programs, no public hospitals, no public bathrooms no public parks, no public sports programs, NO PUBLIC obligations. No community obligations, no social obligations....no family obligations....totally self-centered psychotic individualism....YEP that is YOU Stanley....

      I am a reasonable person Stanley. I don't think you are Tim McVeigh....but you are a professional distorter. And you need to understand why lying and distorting others philosophies is detrimental. Don't do it. It is not productive.

      Suki.

      P.S. What are you willing to give up Stanley for your beliefs? You said you don't have any real dedication to any political agenda or anything...you quoted Fulano de Tal. The cynic. So, you think that gives you the right to criticize Eddier1 and or my mother or I? No, it doesn't. When you spend time in prison for believing in your libertarianism and people try to kill you for it, and you are taken to some Camp by Senator McCarthy types and go through a lot of problems being a libertarian then you can talk to me about your PRINCIPLES of libertarianism...And I will listen to you. When you lose a body part protesting on some beach contaminated by the navy because you believe in civil disobedience and in protecting a little piece of your nation for future generations to enjoy in peace....then I will listen to your libetarianism....until then....you shall remain a man not willing to sacrifice at all for anything that requires personal problems and giving up comforts...and or money, or time and even health....and maybe your life....when your libertarian beliefs cost you something precious and you are willing to give that precious thing up to defend those principles and beliefs...then you may criticize people like Eddier1. Until then, you have no right. Because you stated you are a man with no principles, and no agenda....you just don't care. Punto. Sorry, I don't take anything you say with seriousness...especially about socialism...or communism. When POV is put in prison for chaining himself to the White House until the Congress addresses his concerns about PR being the 51st state...I will then say...."POV is as dedicated to his cause as the independentistas are to theirs." But the problem with the PNP and with the POVs is that they are not that dedicated to their creencias...because their creencias are only about their own advancement in this society....not anything beyond that. And their corruption and lack of principles will not win any battles....they will only plant disaffection and cynicism and frustration in the people....they aren't out to change the world or even change the immediate future...they want change to come slowly....or never. Are they concerned? I don't think so. True injustice....makes people move....and organize and galvanizes them....to make things happen...and change. As long as they know what they think is the mainstream or is approved by the mainstream of the society and their own personal ambitions and little liberties are not curtailed because of it....they don't give a damn if justice comes for those less fortunate than they are....and that is the truth. Individualism will never change society. EVER.

      [Edited by Suki on 25th May 2004 at 03:55]

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      • #33
        Compañera Suki:

        A magnificent post-------- I agree with you. Life as we know it today will be a thing of the past 5,000 years from now.

        In fact, many months ago I had admitted to tovarish Ed that a communal society was entirely possible in the 25th century. We even had a debate about how long it would take. My point was that we needed to evolve to reach such a point.

        I also discussed with tovarish Camaño the concept of no borders and no nationalism. Marx only blessed nationalism as a vehicle to promote the agenda of communism.

        However, in my lifetime none of those things is likely to occur. I am not a dreamer, however, ithese could be a reality in the 25th century. I even told Da Realest that racial groups would blend to such an extent that everybody will belong to one ethnicity---- “Los Terícolas”.

        BTW, I am glad you admitted that you exaggerate my views and position------- very well done.

        But------- back to the subject at hand:

        My concern with folks like Tovarish Ed is that they will gladly impose a dictatorship with the idea of reaching the commie nirvana where there is a harmonious form of anarchy. As I said before---------- it is a little bit like dying and going to heaven to have eternal life. It sounds like religion rather than science. Within our current limitations and retrograde way of doing things this is a highly optimistic position. At this point the overwhelming majority of folks in the planet are still in the middle ages and the ones that are not there are still with the mind set of Napoleon and Roman Emperors. We have a long way to go before we evolve into a more advanced society.

        No one denies the potential virtuosity of communal life. The problem is the inmaturity of MAN---------- it gets in the way.


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        • #34
          Re: Dear Suki

          [QUOTE]Originally posted by POV
          [B]Hello Suki,

          I have to make it short. But I am addressing the substance of all your points

          Suki: POV, such a fine list...the problem I see with it, is that LOVE, FRIENDSHIP, COOPERATION, COMPASSION, UNDERSTANDING, COMRADERIE, COMPANIONSHIP, HELP has nothing to do with CAPITALISM....
          Let me accept this statement for the moment for the sake of argument. My answer is that: these virtues have much less with communism, Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism, Castrismo, juchE½, Marxism in all its wonderful varieties. Again, power is all that matters to them; who's up and who's down, in society as well as in bed.

          Suki: Again POV....POWER and PROFIT is all that has MATTERED to the CAPITALIST countries....have you forgotten the Chinese Emperor and the Forbidden city? The Opium Wars introduced by the British imperialists hungry for Chinese Tea and Porcelain and Silk...? The Tzars of Russia and the incredibly wealthy Russian aristocracy and the huge amount of violently poor Russian peasants? Left to languish in horrific class run societies? Batista was a buddy of the USA and was one of a long line of disgusting dictators in Cuba. All endorsed by the USA too. The problem you have POV is that you refuse.....to see....that capitalism has cost A LOT OF HUMAN LIVES over time. Not just pre Depression era USA....and the bread lines everywhere...until the NEW DEAL and Roosevelt's socialist programs....were implemented. Capitalism is the savior of humanity is it? Really? People 'earning their keep' you say? Really? How many millions earn their keep? In garment factories in Guatemala? In banana fields in Honduras? In Diamond mines in South Africa? In coffee plantations in Colombia? Where coffee farmers had to stop growing coffee because the world capitalist countries control these 'goods' and they practice 'dumping' to lower prices and control the product that is not in their region of the world? Yeah, your just capitalism again POV. I am sorry but socialism is a must. Because it is the first step in coping with an economic system that is not run by those filled with brotherly love...but by people with principles of the 'laws of the jungle'. If that law of the jungle is your version of JESUS. Go join Another Rican, he said Jesus of Nazareth was a businessman who approved of profit and capital. Guaili replied with, "What was Jesus wearing Versace sandals and Gucci robes?" No....all this commercialism...in which everyone gets a slice of the apple pie that is big enough for everyone is a myth. Capitalism is always divided in "the owners' and the non-owners. And it is not based on BRILLIANCE and intelligence. But on privelege and classism and exclusivity. And the exclusive live off the wealth generated by the majority. If that were not so....the majority of all people would be millionaires in the world. And they are not. For the majority of humanity is creative, productive and filled with possibilities. That some don't get the chance is another story. And it aint capitalism bringing them opportunities....it is the community and socialism. And working together without thinking about ME, First, ME second and ME third....that is all the Individualists to the nth degree think about. There has been NO social change of any significance in the history of the world...no popular social change movement led by people thinking of themselves only....NONE. Sorry it does not exist. Social change and societal change is anchored in group behavior, group actions and group priorities and sacrifices. The individual MUST have a sense of group or social sacrifice and responsibilities and consciousness in order for the change to be effective. If they think of rugged individualism it is failed. Any 'individualist' is wrong if he thinks his wealth, his accomplishments and his talents are the result of his own mighty self. NOPE. His mother gave birth to him, his father taught him, his teachers taught him and developed and educated him along with his family, his neighbors, his peers. If he is good at sports, academics, languages and accomplishments, I AM SORRY he did not get there by his MIGHTY lonely self....he is a result of group or social conditioning, exposure, nurturance and encouragement. It is an ensemble effort. All individuals in society are ensemble efforts. Good or bad. They are group efforts manifested in individual forms. If you don't recognize that POV. You live in denial. Society is the core of life.

          Capitalism presupposes certain cultural and legal attitudes such as trust, initiative, the rule of law, political freedom, entrepreneurship, creativity. Marxists boast that in theory (always in theory), they will or have achieved this climate of creativity and productivity when history itself demonstrates that this has not been the case, that all the societies ruled by the fist of Marxism end up in collapse, demoralization, and fragmentation. That's why there are very few redoubts of pure Marxism today in this world and they maintain themselves in power by the use of naked power and abuse.

          Suki: Hey you can say Hitler was creative too. He invented the Volkswagen. The beetle. Yeah, he gassed millions of Jews, and killed 20+million Russians....but damnit he made a fine little car. Please, POV. History only demonstrates that any attempt to cooperate with socialist systems is stamped with the Scarlet Letter...and to kill any attempts at success in those societies. Yet, creativity is not killed no matter how hard the capitalists try. The people continue to produce great theater, ballet, music, poetry, painters, artists, scientists, athletes, astronauts and people of culture. Sputnik was Russian...first aparatos in Space weren't from the USA were they? Culturally have the Russians produced people of greatness? YES. Have the Chinese? YES. The Russians have culture galore. So do the Chinese. They are not cultureless people. Are they CONSUMERS of the CORPORATE planet on the scale that the USA consumers are? No. Does that make them LESS HUMAN? To POV it does. Did you ever listen to that trite Sting song...."The Russians love their children too." People in Corporate CAPITALISTIC isn't private enterprise mana del cielo folks forget......constantly that SOCIALISTAS and COMMUNISTAS are HUMAN BEINGS....with all the creative, initiative and talent that all human societal members share. In fact in my case, the best writers in the history of the world in my opinion....are Russians. Chekov, Tolstoy, Doestoevsky, among many others...The Chinese have some really great and unique art...poetry, literature, traditions, and food, and most everything they do...is filled with their unique cultural mode of thinking. It is endemically creative. And traditional too. Both. No such thing POV as people without culture, or creativity. Or history. And in the CHinese case...their history is VERY LONG...and VERY rich. Forget it....for now. WHy speak of these things....to you if they don't follow capitalism strictly like Mana del cielo....they aren't human. Estas loco.

          The system you defend as being the most humane and just. Lol. It doesn't have anything to do with those qualities POV.
          Your laughter is very cavalier in ill considered, Suki. Behold the dead:

          Lenin's purges
          Stalin's purges
          Gulag
          The Iron Curtain
          The Berlin Wall
          Castro's jail
          Pol Pot
          Kim Il Sung/Kim Jong Il

          Suki: Cavalier? How about the deaths due to capitalism and its incessant needs for cheap labor? And the wars created by the capitalists? I will include narcotrafico with that...the quintessential example of blood and drugs for $$$$..? How many children, women and men have died in Chilean Tin Mines, Honduran pesticide ridden fields? Factory workers aged and fired before their time and thrown away like rags? Millions of immigrant workers in the turn of the century killed in bad working conditions? ALL over the world? In these CAPITALIST endeavors? To profit some Robber Barons, and Industrialists? Dead INDIANS and ABORIGINAL peoples? Millions in Australia, in Africa, in South America in NOrth America? In East Timor? In the fascists concentration camps...those were right wingers all loving capitalists....MUSSOLINI, HITLER, HIROHITO, etc....25 million Russians died fighting Hitler POV....yep, tell me they did it in vain. That capitalism was the solution...when commies were the first to go to the ovens in Hitlers scheme of things....How about the millions upon millions of workers all over the world not paid living wages or benefits....living in infrahuman conditions. Like the slums of Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia....etc...keep going....Phillipines, Guatemala...all of them living in Capitalism....(but it aint capitalism to POV) because they fail to have the USA law, and culture and SUPERIORITY....blah, blah, blah....the USA has a history...yes...You did not address the BIA, the 150 years of Black slavery and free labor...the immigrant labor by the millions. The chinese railroad workers, the less pay for women workers, child labor and etc...that BUILT up the CAPITAL in the USA over the centuries....and the manifest destiny and systemic genocide to open the WEST and EAST coasts to RAILROAD developers and robber barons like the J.P. Morgans...and the Vanderbilts, and the Mellons...yes, they got to be who they are by paying their workers REAL WELL. Deja la baba....POV.

          The harbingers of Marxism in the 20th century through the present have been responsible for the deaths of many more millions than those that you could ever blame to capitalism in all of history. But there you are, lol'ing and laughing. Please, don't preach to me about the virtues of Marxism and point your little finger of blame to the rest of us. Learn from the history whose "process" you purport to defend. If I were you I would much humbler about these claims.

          Capitalism in its purest form is about, free market (which in today's business world is a myth in my opinion), competition, expansion, promotion of consumption of goods and services, advertisements, marketing, etc. En fin when a saleslady or salesman smiles at you in a department store, are they seeing you as their 'friend, co-op partner, compassionate and loving companion, with understanding or comaraderie, are they helping you?
          As a matter of fact, they are. They are also earning their keep.

          Or are they 'targeting' you to 'sell' so they may profit....and if they notice you aren't interested in buying, consuming and or generating profit for them...will they 'waste' their time on you?
          I sincerely hope not and more often than not, they leave me alone. I keep the choice to buy or not to buy.

          Lol. Human relationships in capitalistic economies are not based on anything but producer-consumer, profit-loss, asset-debit considerations....is that a fulfilling relationship in a true human sense?...the ad, the pitch, the sale? Or is it a way of manipulation...if it is a way of manipulation...what is its purpose? Its aim? And why does it need to do that? For what ultimate purpose? I would like for you to expound on the humane merits of Capitalist relationships with human beings as the principal consumers....WHERE is the HUMANE part?
          "Humanity" rests on individuals but "individuality" is of no concern to Marxists: only the collective is important. That's why Marxists are so prompt to destroy the individuals for the benefit of the collective. That's why Marxists individual rights and human dignity are but meaningless bourgeois concepts.

          And not the objectivification or the making of the whole thing into a materially and mundane enterprise in which the higher values you so loftily mention are EXALTED? Where is it? I would love to read your answer POV. Really and sincerely.
          Do you love, Suki? Are you loved? My answer hinges on your answer.

          quote:In an economic sense it is a relationship about POWER....and economic profit and exploitation if it is in capitalism?
          No, not always. Because within capitalism human beings are free to associate to pursue Love, Friendship, Cooperation, Compassion, Understanding, Comraderie, Companionship, Help...
          Suki: Is that what human beings do in capitalism? They pursue love, friendship, cooperation, compassion, understanding and comraderie, and companionship and help each other as brothers and sisters? Is that what people do in Capitalism?
          I've seen it done in capitalist countries. Perhaps you should travel more.

          In those unfortunate Marxist countries is more difficult to cultivate these virtues, because Marxist theory disregards the intrinsic value of them in favor of jargon, slogans, and marches. Since Marxism is such a limited philosophy, its practitioners do not concern themselves with eternal values, esthetics or the intrinsic dignity of human beings as Children of God.

          No no, is worse, Marxists throw God out the window as another construct invented by "them" to exploit "the people." With God also goes out any possibility of an ultimate moral basis for human action. A "moral action" is for the Marxist that which fosters dialectic materialism so if purges, concentration camps, massive displacement, forced collectivism, disappearances, kangaroo courts, disinformation, global brinkmanship, foster the dialectical process, then it is moral. "Ends justify the means" in Marxism since the individual is at his core (and like you like to say) greedy and incorrigible without compulsion from outside.

          That's why Marxism is totalitarian, it functions like a fanatical cult. Like you like to do, they (you?) Marxists declare (they always "declare," they never "prove") that "freedom" is illusory and not the true end of humanity, but rather "natural happiness" where natural wants are satisfied by the labor of the many directed by the "compassionate" leadership of the "vanguard of the people," that is, the Party and its apparatus. Of course, "compassion" as defined by a new corpus of dogma and consistent with the principles of dialectical materialism; a "compassion" that will not hesitate to crush the individual and kill the defenseless for sins of thought, since that would be ridding the collective from pockets of self-centeredness and greed.

          This is the brave new world you advocate in your wonderful naiveté, Suki.

          So please, spare me your "moral outrage," your half-thought philosophical premises, and your teary-eyed critique. You and I can agree that humanity, as a patient, is very sick. But I argue that you want to kill him in order to save him. I just want to save him.

          Please, forgive me if I neither believe nor accept your philosophically flawed, yet eloquent and very heartfelt defense of what is, in the last analysis, indefensible.

          P.
          ________________________________________________

          Suki: I will make this brief POV. If you think perpetuating a system in which in order for wealth and productivity to be maintained one small group of homo sapiens has to live off the surplus value of big majority group of the others. And that the majority must accept forevermore never having basics met all over the world. Be prepared for upheavel and problems....because, if Capitalism was so great worldwide....then why are there SO MANY people....without? Without access to health care, decent housing, nutritious food, clean water, safe environments, and basic education. WHY? Don't give me the bs about killing the individual bull you have given me until now. Economics are systems...organized HUMAN invented systems. As such....they are functional or obsolete. If the system does not meet the needs of the majority on a world WIDE scale....not in a 6% country like the USA (and even in that society many still don't get the basics met)....how can one defend it? And not change it drastically? Where is enough Apple PIE for the ENTIRE WORLD. OR JUST for LATIN AMERICA? Don't you say it is our fault...as Latin Americans or "PERFECT IMBECILE" theory.....because if you are into the gene theory and Spanish makes $$$$$$ freeze in transit....and or some theory in which the Anglo-Protestant is the culture with the magic wand of dinero....and we just need to emulate it....and voila! Economic problems solved...then go join the HUNTINGTON club...the problem is they won't let you in....POV. No third world Roman Catholics allowed...even if they are neo-cons extraordinaires...Ay, Pedro....please give me a logical reason....why capitalism doesn't work in most of the world....that poverty has not been eradicated by the magic Capital formula....it does not deal with exploitation....you don't deal with exploitation. It is okay to have people go without. That is not going to solve any crisis. It won't. Sooner or later if you don't cope with health, education, housing, food, and basics of the whole world....in this interconnected future we are experiencing....such as a problem in the Middle East eventually becomes a problem here.....if you don't cope with societal and worldwide repercussions....the ones with failed philosophies will always be you guys...the ones who don't cope with unbalanced POWER Relationship$. Think about it.

          Suki.

          Do I believe in LOVE? POV I have written about love many times....in this forum. No need to mention it again. Look it up if you want to. If not. I already covered that theme. I wrote about love of Puerto Rico, my family, etc. Read 'Suki's Puerto Rican Anecdotes and Vignettes." Senor Vega, los seres humanos amamos...y si amas la especie humana hay que ponerle energia al entendimiento por que existen los desbalances de poder....no creo que los ricos sean ricos porque poseen un gene de 'genio', y los pobres son pobres por que tienen un 'gene' de pobre....es sistemico, y economico y social. Hay que estudiarlo para entenderlo y cambiar lo que se puede cambiar....hacer un progreso social. Seguir luchando por un mundo menos prejuiciado, menos discriminatorio, menos clasista, menos individualista...mas inclusivo en vez de exclusivo. Pedro, para mi los capitalistas y los conservadores no hacen mucho para echar la sociedad para adelante para el beneficio de todos a lo largo. Solo les interesa sus propias ambiciones--en la cuenta final, cada generacion tiene que dejar un mundo mas justo. Y los seres humanos tenemos libre albedrio para elegir entre individualismos inutiles...o hacer cambio en comunidad....duradero. Nadie puede matar las idiosincrasias humanas...la variedad es parte de quienes somos. La variedad es una ley de la evolucion. Nunca ha existido una sociedad humana sin interaccion social. Es critico...tan critico que nuestro desarollo social es parte de nuestra genetica. Asi es la naturaleza.

          [Edited by Suki on 25th May 2004 at 05:20]

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          • #35
            La compañera Suki describe la injusticia del capitalismo de una manera loable y con un gran lujo de detalles. POV no se queda atrás y nos recuerda las atrocidades en nombre del comunismo. Sin duda alguna la naturaleza humana es capaz de crear caos a diestra y siniestra. Esto es el resultado de la imperfección del ser humano y no necesariamente está relacionado a un movimiento político . Estas acciones son debidas a la sed por el poder y la avaricia. Este comportamiento se ve tanto en la izquierda como en la derecha. Claro, el imperialismo es algo que se repite en la historia------ eso no lo niega nadie. A la misma manera el deseo de acabar con los bordes territoriales y crear un mundo homogeneo y socialista es parte de la creencia Marxista. Por eso es que siempre he abogado por una economía mixta--------- no me gustan los extremos.

            La compañera comete el error de creer que si los programas sociales ayudan entonces socialismo es el camino. Esta extrapolación puede ser fatal------ algo así como tomarse una sobredosis de un medicamento que es muy bebeficioso en dosis bajas y tóxico a dosis altas.



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            • #36
              A loyalist with an independent thought?!!!

              There's no such thing as Marxist "philosophy."
              POV

              According to an Aglo philosopher Dereck P.H. Allen Marx is an utilitarian. I wonder, if utilitarianism
              is part of math or philosophy? Well I am sure POV it feels good to have an independent thought from an anglo. It is a shame you cannot apply this for our nation, Puerto Rico.



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