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  • Are Puerto Ricans Really Co-Dependent and Helpless?

    Dependency and helplessness are things that are learned and set into our character. Similarly many of our people have learn and adapted these feelings due to our forbidden ability in exercising of our power of self-determination. This in time reverted many to resignation, as the only available response to their situation.

    Colonialism and the Formation of Social Character

    The colonial system can be blamed for inhibiting the development of a civic culture and a national ideology in Puerto Rico. Colonial powers, first Spain, and then the United States, controlled Puerto Rican institutions, while legitimizing this control as the "natural order" of things. It is often argued that colonial social systems exert psychological effects on colonial populations, implanting in them a sense of inferiority and resignation. This psychological and cultural impact of colonial domination cannot be accurately measured, but in his preface to Franz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth, Jean Paul Sartre summarizes the colonial worldview that Fanon argued inculcates the inferior self- image and fatalistic resignation of colonized people: "Not so long ago, the earth numbered two thousand million inhabitants; five hundred million men, and one thousand five hundred million natives. The former had the Word; the others had the use of it".

    Inferiority

    Spanish rule in Puerto Rico was strict and autocratic, and Puerto Rican natives were treated as inferior in every way. American officials continued that tradition after taking possession of the island in 1898. A contemporary observer wrote that the new American masters treated Puerto Ricans as though they "believed the Island sprung from the ocean just on the eve of the landing of American troops" (Degelau). For 30 years Puerto Rican school lessons were taught in English and the island's name was (mis)spelled as Porto Rico for the convenience of the non-Spanish colonizers.

    The Puerto Rican sense of inferiority was reinforced by the U.S. policy decision to make the island an unincorporated territory. The civil rights of native Puerto Ricans were therefore not constitutionally guaranteed but congressionally determined. For 17 years the inhabitants of the island were officially called "The People of Puerto Rico" but they were not citizens of any country. It was as though Puerto Ricans, as "natives" of an underdeveloped foreign land, were thought to be unworthy of U.S. citizenship. The Jones Act which granted Puerto Ricans U.S. citizenship included provisions that curtailed the authority of the popularly-elected Puerto Rican legislature, and invested the U.S.-appointed governor of the island and the U.S. president with the power to veto any laws passed by the Puerto Rican legislature.

    One time a US comission on the status of Puerto Rico issued a report concluding that Spanish rule had implanted a "heritage of frustration" as political concessions from Spain would be forthcoming and then unpredictably withdrawn. Puerto Ricans became resigned to their vital interests being manipulated capriciously in ways they could not control. As Munoz Marin describes this experience,
    "When liberals got the upper hand in Spain, which was rarely, they relieved their feelings by granting reforms to the colonies, reforms that, so far as Puerto Rico was concerned, were accepted gratefully and surprisedly and relinquished when the time came dumbly and humbly."

    A similar sense of powerlessness and unpredictability in Puerto Rican life prevailed under U. S. rule. When Spanish colonial rule was replaced by that of the U. S., "The majority of the population-the peasants and workers-of course remained on the periphery, accepting the change of sovereignty with the same fatalism with which they accepted hookworm, hurricanes and tuberculosis". Congressional action concerning Puerto Rico was slow and hard to predict. Even committee endorsements did not insure passage of a bill, and the separation of powers meant that a president's support did not ensure congressional action.

    Sociologist C. Wright Mills, in his book The Puerto Rican Journey, wrote that for the Puerto Rican petitioner, American rule meant "the continuous need to anticipate what Washington will think, to court the Federal power by not asking too much or too soon, to carry on a debate the essential terms of which are set by Washington". Prolonged experience of this passive dependency on a foreign power and the inability to act directly in their own interest, has produced a characteristic sense of fatalistic resignation among Puerto Ricans, reflected in comments by Munoz Marin: "We are always contemplating what we never carry out. . . . Visions that burst forth magnificently and take impetus as plans, cool off as calculations, and generally peter out as accomplishments".

    This sense of resignation is also rooted in the poverty of an agricultural society, predominantly populated by jibaro/jibara (poor country folk) and agregados (squatter farmers), barely making a living from the land and obliged to pay a large share of their crops to landowners. Poor people, who can neither plan or save, become resigned to the way things are.

    A resigned acceptance is also inculcated in the poor by Catholicism. "Our people have faith and hope and believe that God will provide," says a Puerto Rican woman.


    Conclusion
    There is no postcolonialism in Puerto Rico. Puerto Ricans living on the island and in the United States still suffer from internal colonialism. Building a mass movement of independence seems almost impossible for Puerto Rico, however I feel that it is conceivable.

    Despite the climate of intimidation caused by political repression, and the often self-imposed passivity and censorship, the desire for independence remains an integral element of the Puerto Rican national character.

  • #2
    definitivamente majestral

    Leticia,

    Me encanta tu "approach" de el "colonianismo interno....no puedo ni discutir nada sino aceptar esa realidad!

    Gracias!

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    • #3
      Excellent essay, Leticia_g. However, I have a question. Why do you think the people of the Philippines and Cuba were more ferocious in their fight against U.S Colonialism than Puerto Rico? Do you think it's because they did have the same docile mentality as Boricuas did because they didn't have much Spanish blood and culture in them as Boricuas did, therefore already had a fixed mentality of resenting colonialism?

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      • #4
        FEELING OF INFIRIORITY IS SOMETHING WITHIN YOURSELF. WE BELONG TO A FREE COUNTRY. NO ONE DICTATES TO US. FREEDOM IS BEING ABLE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO THE WAY YOU WISH TO LIVE, EAT, PLAY, SING, DANCE, RUN, WALK, TRAVEL, DRIVE, WORSHIP, TALK AND SAY WHATEVER WE WISH, IN WHATEVER LANGUAGE WE WANT. TO BE ABLE TO BE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BE, AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO DO SO. THAT TO ME IS BEING FREE, AND I'M PROUD AND CONTENT. BE PROUND TO BE PUERTO RICAN AND BEING ABLE TO CALL YOURSELF AN AMERICAN. LOOK AROUND YOU, TO THE SHORES OF PUERTO RICO, THE SHORES OF FLORIDA, AND THE BORDERS OF MEXICO, ETC. ISN'T THAT WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WISH IT, WE ARE.

        Originally posted by Leticia_g [/i]
        Dependency and helplessness are things that are learned and set into our character. Similarly many of our people have learn and adapted these feelings due to our forbidden ability in exercising of our power of self-determination. This in time reverted many to resignation, as the only available response to their situation.

        Colonialism and the Formation of Social Character

        The colonial system can be blamed for inhibiting the development of a civic culture and a national ideology in Puerto Rico. Colonial powers, first Spain, and then the United States, controlled Puerto Rican institutions, while legitimizing this control as the "natural order" of things. It is often argued that colonial social systems exert psychological effects on colonial populations, implanting in them a sense of inferiority and resignation. This psychological and cultural impact of colonial domination cannot be accurately measured, but in his preface to Franz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth, Jean Paul Sartre summarizes the colonial worldview that Fanon argued inculcates the inferior self- image and fatalistic resignation of colonized people: "Not so long ago, the earth numbered two thousand million inhabitants; five hundred million men, and one thousand five hundred million natives. The former had the Word; the others had the use of it".

        Inferiority

        Spanish rule in Puerto Rico was strict and autocratic, and Puerto Rican natives were treated as inferior in every way. American officials continued that tradition after taking possession of the island in 1898. A contemporary observer wrote that the new American masters treated Puerto Ricans as though they "believed the Island sprung from the ocean just on the eve of the landing of American troops" (Degelau). For 30 years Puerto Rican school lessons were taught in English and the island's name was (mis)spelled as Porto Rico for the convenience of the non-Spanish colonizers.

        The Puerto Rican sense of inferiority was reinforced by the U.S. policy decision to make the island an unincorporated territory. The civil rights of native Puerto Ricans were therefore not constitutionally guaranteed but congressionally determined. For 17 years the inhabitants of the island were officially called "The People of Puerto Rico" but they were not citizens of any country. It was as though Puerto Ricans, as "natives" of an underdeveloped foreign land, were thought to be unworthy of U.S. citizenship. The Jones Act which granted Puerto Ricans U.S. citizenship included provisions that curtailed the authority of the popularly-elected Puerto Rican legislature, and invested the U.S.-appointed governor of the island and the U.S. president with the power to veto any laws passed by the Puerto Rican legislature.

        One time a US comission on the status of Puerto Rico issued a report concluding that Spanish rule had implanted a "heritage of frustration" as political concessions from Spain would be forthcoming and then unpredictably withdrawn. Puerto Ricans became resigned to their vital interests being manipulated capriciously in ways they could not control. As Munoz Marin describes this experience,
        "When liberals got the upper hand in Spain, which was rarely, they relieved their feelings by granting reforms to the colonies, reforms that, so far as Puerto Rico was concerned, were accepted gratefully and surprisedly and relinquished when the time came dumbly and humbly."

        A similar sense of powerlessness and unpredictability in Puerto Rican life prevailed under U. S. rule. When Spanish colonial rule was replaced by that of the U. S., "The majority of the population-the peasants and workers-of course remained on the periphery, accepting the change of sovereignty with the same fatalism with which they accepted hookworm, hurricanes and tuberculosis". Congressional action concerning Puerto Rico was slow and hard to predict. Even committee endorsements did not insure passage of a bill, and the separation of powers meant that a president's support did not ensure congressional action.

        Sociologist C. Wright Mills, in his book The Puerto Rican Journey, wrote that for the Puerto Rican petitioner, American rule meant "the continuous need to anticipate what Washington will think, to court the Federal power by not asking too much or too soon, to carry on a debate the essential terms of which are set by Washington". Prolonged experience of this passive dependency on a foreign power and the inability to act directly in their own interest, has produced a characteristic sense of fatalistic resignation among Puerto Ricans, reflected in comments by Munoz Marin: "We are always contemplating what we never carry out. . . . Visions that burst forth magnificently and take impetus as plans, cool off as calculations, and generally peter out as accomplishments".

        This sense of resignation is also rooted in the poverty of an agricultural society, predominantly populated by jibaro/jibara (poor country folk) and agregados (squatter farmers), barely making a living from the land and obliged to pay a large share of their crops to landowners. Poor people, who can neither plan or save, become resigned to the way things are.

        A resigned acceptance is also inculcated in the poor by Catholicism. "Our people have faith and hope and believe that God will provide," says a Puerto Rican woman.


        Conclusion
        There is no postcolonialism in Puerto Rico. Puerto Ricans living on the island and in the United States still suffer from internal colonialism. Building a mass movement of independence seems almost impossible for Puerto Rico, however I feel that it is conceivable.

        Despite the climate of intimidation caused by political repression, and the often self-imposed passivity and censorship, the desire for independence remains an integral element of the Puerto Rican national character.
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        • #5
          Again, what's with all the CAPITALIZATION and the qutoing of ENTIRE posts?

          Originally posted by Merci
          FEELING OF INFIRIORITY IS SOMETHING WITHIN YOURSELF. WE BELONG TO A FREE COUNTRY. NO ONE DICTATES TO US. FREEDOM IS BEING ABLE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO THE WAY YOU WISH TO LIVE, EAT, PLAY, SING, DANCE, RUN, WALK, TRAVEL, DRIVE, WORSHIP, TALK AND SAY WHATEVER WE WISH, IN WHATEVER LANGUAGE WE WANT. TO BE ABLE TO BE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BE, AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO DO SO. THAT TO ME IS BEING FREE, AND I'M PROUD AND CONTENT. BE PROUND TO BE PUERTO RICAN AND BEING ABLE TO CALL YOURSELF AN AMERICAN. LOOK AROUND YOU, TO THE SHORES OF PUERTO RICO, THE SHORES OF FLORIDA, AND THE BORDERS OF MEXICO, ETC. ISN'T THAT WHAT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WISH IT, WE ARE.
          How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when in another thread (Proposal to change the PR flag) I questioned your nescient views and you stopped replying. Now I see that you still continue to rant your ridiculously capitalized rhetoric. That gives the forum members the impression you're not here to learn and exchange ideas like the rest of us, but just to state your docile beliefs thinking we'll just all accept them, lol.

          [Edited by Ecuajey on 13th November 2002 at 05:13]

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ecuajey
            Excellent essay, Leticia_g. However, I have a question. Why do you think the people of the Philippines and Cuba were more ferocious in their fight against U.S Colonialism than Puerto Rico? Do you think it's because they did have the same docile mentality as Boricuas did because they didn't have much Spanish blood and culture in them as Boricuas did, therefore already had a fixed mentality of resenting colonialism?
            The thing mainly with Puerto Rico from the early colonial days of the Spanish has always been that we were treated diffrently than Cuba and the Phillipines. Cuba being a larger Island was used by the Spanish and then the US for the crops and location. Puerto Rico became only a stopping ground. Even at the time of the early settlements most of the spaniards were going to Cuba, only few were actually station in our Island. I feel the same occurred with the Philippines. Unfortunately Puerto Rico was always treated and given the "migajas" your statement concerning the mixture of spanish bllod is one I really can't agree upon because Cuba did have a deep Spanish influence also they were just always treated royaly in comparision to our Island.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Leticia_g
              Unfortunately Puerto Rico was always treated and given the "migajas" your statement concerning the mixture of spanish bllod is one I really can't agree upon because Cuba did have a deep Spanish influence also they were just always treated royaly in comparision to our Island.
              Thanks for your response, but you didn't really answer my question, lol. If Boricuas were treated worse and less significant in the eyes of Spain than to Cuba and the Philippines, then why did Boricuas stay more docile and subversive to Spanish and USA rule than did the Cubans and Philippinos?

              Also, yes, Cuba has a lot of Spanish influence, and Boricua culture is extremely similar to our Cuban brethren, but as I once read, the slave population proportionate to the population was exactly opposite than that of Puerto Rico. Therefore, they have a higher percentage of African blood than most Boricuas. (Thus, a higher feeling of disconnection and resentment to Spain.)

              (Even though I'm not a great example of that, lol.) That, I think, contributed to their ferocious fight for independence against Spain, and the same for the Philippines. Therefore, when the USA soldiers came, they were fed up and saw an opportunity to fight for their freedom while the Spanish were leaving and the USA gov't was barely making it's mark on their land. However, I wanted your perspective on this, because you wrote such a wonderful essay. Take care.

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              • #8
                Leti, you mean well but are a little naive...

                Leti,

                You mean well and some of your points are good, however, I think you missed several facts of reality:
                • Everyone, to some degree is co-dependent.
                • Everyone has to serve somebody (As Bob Dylan said).
                • Everyone has a Masters/masters (not a degree!).
                • You might as well serve the best Master/masters.


                Even if P.R. became independent and sovereign... the Boricuas will still have to "mamar" from a mother. Besides... if you look real close at Latin American culture... you can see that it is heavily Matriarchichal in nature where men willingly offer themselves for emasculation despite their "big macho talk." The Mother land becomes the new object of co-dependency. The healthiest society is that which respects the dignity and God-given liberties of the individual. A society with a bunch of Socialist, Marxist, Atheists will in time violate and destroy the individual. That is my humble opinion. No offense intended.



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                • #9
                  Another Rican

                  Let me see, Another Rican, you like my article, yet you call me naive because you think that I am stating that no one is ever dependent on someone else? First of all, I never stated that no one is dependent in some way or form. We as human beings are always dependent in one form or another of someone. What makes the difference if you fail to grasp the true meaning of my article, is that dependency when it is in any abusive form is wrong. The meaning of abusive that I am portraying is using someone or a country for your own personal gain, and knowingly limiting their growth. That I depend on someone for anything is not lowering me unless that person has placed in my mind since infancy that I am not capable of doing anything on my own. Then of course that feeling will continue until I if I am able to, will have the strength to break away.

                  What I was bringing out, was the point of dependency that the US and Spain has created in our people, this dependency has ruin their self esteem. Let me give you an example; If a parent provides for a child continuously without showing them their self worth, they will eventually learn not to do for themselves but expect the parent to provide. If since early childhood you are told, you can't do this or you can't do that because you just aren't capable of doing it, believe me, those words will affect your personality forever. It would take a lot to break those ingrained traits. Not all people, countries or form of government know how to control and respect limits.

                  No Offense intended!


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                  • #10
                    Thanks for clarifying, Leti...

                    Leti,

                    Thanks for clarifying... I do agree that depending on how you bring up a child you create dependency into adult years or self and mutual respect. I would also add it can create resentment and anger. Thus causing revolt or rebellion.

                    I have no doubt that the good Ole USA has been guilty of that. (Part of that is that USA UltraLeft-wing Liberals put intitlement/welfare laws into place that created extreme dependency in our people. Liberals, socialists, Commies, etc. want to create societies where the masses ARE dependent. This insures their hold as they create a "trance" in their peoples. You can blame the liberals for this...Berrios and Bras are no different in this aspect). Here again (with USA not being perfect), you have to look at all your options and consider the moral, spiritual, and character fiber of a nation and its ability to deliver. It would be great if Puerto Ricans as a whole would have the capability and resources to truly have a mutual respecting democracy where everyone could be facilitated reaching their dreams. The reality is, in my opinion, that Puerto Rico would not be capable of delivering WELL this kind of scenario. Based on how politics, morals or lack of them, present leaders, natural (or lack of) resources, national psyche maturity, etc., I don't think P.R. is going to be ready for any National Sovereignty for themselves. It would become, as you say, ABUSIVE. I believe the island would degenerate into a bunch of corrupt thugs in power. Add to that the fact that many nacionalistas are left-wing liberals who despise spirituality or a personal belief in God then you have the setting for oppression of the individual and his liberties. They will not respect the individual except themselves (those in power, i.e., Berrios, Bras, a la Eddie, etc.). With guys like Eddie and Camano in power, your hard earned goods would be legally stolen from you. If they like something in your closet they will acquire it for themselves and leave the rest "left-overs" for the "masses." You, Leticia, and your family, will be in worse shape than where you originally started prior to "national sovereignty!"

                    Just my humble opinion, Leti.

                    It is all a matter of degrees. Choose your Master(s) and try to pick the best one(s) for you and your family, long-term.

                    No master is perfect. But some are more developed and mature than others...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Thanks for clarifying, Leti...

                      [QUOTE]Originally posted by AnotherRican
                      They will not respect the individual except themselves (those in power, i.e., Berrios, Bras, a la Eddie, etc.). With guys like Eddie and Camano in power, your hard earned goods would be legally stolen from you. If they like something in your closet they will acquire it for themselves and leave the rest "left-overs" for the "masses." You, Leticia, and your family, will be in worse shape than where you originally started prior to "national sovereignty!"

                      Just my humble opinion, Leti.
                      --------------------------------

                      Folks, A.R. has accused socialists, and in particular, myself and Camano of being thiefs, and he has the audacity and the hypocrisy of saying it is "just..a humble opinion".

                      Now, he is either off the wall or simply downright stupid to not see that in a socialist republic, all-be-it Puerto Rico in the future, one that has a PROGRAM THAT IS EFFECTIVE AND NOT ONE THAT IS INITIALLY FUELED ON A CULT OF PERSONALITY, that in such a Socialist Republic all things are on LOAN from the People, who are the true owners of all things, and resources in the country. No one individual, therefore, can claim to own anything privately, because all is from a government that comes from the People, and in which all things must be returned to the People, if and when, that becomes NECESSARY!

                      Moreover, from his other boring and incessant postings, he is ever stuck in the rut of the desuetude of archaic usages, such as religionism, and he is incessantly repeating by statement, implication, and personally abusive innuendos that all things and resources come from a deity that is beyond the limits of human understanding. And this deity cannot be reached by human reason, but must be generated in the emotional area of the human being. The same 'sing-song' is constantly stressed that has been heard from bygone days, and centuries, a cantaleta that is the old canard of faith or belief, which is not of human reason, but of an emotional source and/or stimulation (heh!).

                      And fooling around with this business of faith for centuries has not improved the world, not even one iota. The world is still as cruel, brutal, and violent as it ever was, and, now with nuclear threats, even getting worse by the minute.

                      HACIA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE BORICUAS,
                      Soy Puertorrique/no y Punto.
                      EddieR
                      E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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                      • #12
                        Re: Thanks for clarifying, Leti...

                        WHAT'S ALL THE TALK ABOUT DEPENDENCY. WE PUERTO RICANS ARE JUST AS DEPENDENT AS ANY OF THE 50 STATES, AND SOME OF THESE ARE BIGGER AND RICHER COUNTRIES WHO HAVE JOINED THE UNION WITH PRIDE. A TERRITORY IS NOT DEPENDENT, BUT THE PEOPLE INHABITING THAT TERRITORY, ONLY IF THEY WANT TO BE. AGAIN, WE ARE FREE, FREE TO BE DEPENDENT, OR TO MAKE SOMETHING OF OURSELVES, IF WE WANT TO BE. THIS WITHOUT THE NEED TO WASTE OUR TIME IN HATING THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GOOD TO US. AS MENTIONED, WE ALL NEED A HAND, SOMETIMES. BE THANKFUL, GREATFUL. SHOW YOUR WORTH, BY BECOMING, BY DOING, FOR YOURSELF, AND DOING FOR YOURSELF, YOU SHOW THE WORTH OF YOUR PUERTO RICAN PEOPLE.
                        Leti,

                        Thanks for clarifying... I do agree that depending on how you bring up a child you create dependency into adult years or self and mutual respect. I would also add it can create resentment and anger. Thus causing revolt or rebellion.

                        I have no doubt that the good Ole USA has been guilty of that. (Part of that is that USA UltraLeft-wing Liberals put intitlement/welfare laws into place that created extreme dependency in our people. Liberals, socialists, Commies, etc. want to create societies where the masses ARE dependent. This insures their hold as they create a "trance" in their peoples. You can blame the liberals for this...Berrios and Bras are no different in this aspect). Here again (with USA not being perfect), you have to look at all your options and consider the moral, spiritual, and character fiber of a nation and its ability to deliver. It would be great if Puerto Ricans as a whole would have the capability and resources to truly have a mutual respecting democracy where everyone could be facilitated reaching their dreams. The reality is, in my opinion, that Puerto Rico would not be capable of delivering WELL this kind of scenario. Based on how politics, morals or lack of them, present leaders, natural (or lack of) resources, national psyche maturity, etc., I don't think P.R. is going to be ready for any National Sovereignty for themselves. It would become, as you say, ABUSIVE. I believe the island would degenerate into a bunch of corrupt thugs in power. Add to that the fact that many nacionalistas are left-wing liberals who despise spirituality or a personal belief in God then you have the setting for oppression of the individual and his liberties. They will not respect the individual except themselves (those in power, i.e., Berrios, Bras, a la Eddie, etc.). With guys like Eddie and Camano in power, your hard earned goods would be legally stolen from you. If they like something in your closet they will acquire it for themselves and leave the rest "left-overs" for the "masses." You, Leticia, and your family, will be in worse shape than where you originally started prior to "national sovereignty!"

                        Just my humble opinion, Leti.

                        It is all a matter of degrees. Choose your Master(s) and try to pick the best one(s) for you and your family, long-term.

                        No master is perfect. But some are more developed and mature than others...
                        [/QUOTE]

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                        • #13
                          Eddie and his sleight of hand tricks!

                          Originally posted by Eddier1
                          Originally posted by AnotherRican
                          They will not respect the individual except themselves (those in power, i.e., Berrios, Bras, a la Eddie, etc.). With guys like Eddie and Camano in power, your hard earned goods would be legally stolen from you. If they like something in your closet they will acquire it for themselves and leave the rest "left-overs" for the "masses." You, Leticia, and your family, will be in worse shape than where you originally started prior to "national sovereignty!"

                          Just my humble opinion, Leti.
                          --------------------------------

                          Folks, A.R. has accused socialists, and in particular, myself and Camano of being thiefs, and he has the audacity and the hypocrisy of saying it is "just..a humble opinion".
                          Socialism is thievery! Pure unadulterated legalized stealing of what belongs to an individual that he has earned by his own sweat! <Folks, this is why I say that these ultra-liberal-left-wing socialists, marxists, commies, like Eddie are missing the "Common Sense" circuitry of their brains. This is a common characteristic of these types. Look at the US Democratic Party how they have repeatedly shot themselves in the foot and now they just put a death nail on their coffin by putting a hard-core extreme super-liberal feminist woman that does not share America's values (majority). Eddie is of such ilk.>

                          Now, he is either off the wall or simply downright stupid to not see that in a socialist republic, all-be-it Puerto Rico in the future, one that has a PROGRAM THAT IS EFFECTIVE
                          That's a leap of faith for you, Eddie. That's a BIG MOUTHFUL! The verdict is out with respect to an "Effective" socialistic society. So far I'm not impressed with those countries that claim that title with their exorbitant and oppressive taxes, squelching free market and individual enterprise intitiative. Why should I give most of what I make to the government to waste? Better yet, don't work then. Nobody then gets my money, eh?

                          AND NOT ONE THAT IS INITIALLY FUELED ON A CULT OF PERSONALITY, that in such a Socialist Republic all things are on LOAN from the People,
                          How come my friends that had all their properties confiscated and their businesses confiscated never have recieved any restitution from the ScumBag Castro while he drinks $400.00 vintage wine? Why don't you come down here to Miami and I'll watch you being feathered and tattered by the families of those who recieved socialism's act of theft? You call them "Gusanos" because you live in your lobotomized brain. You cover your ears and only hear what you want to, Eddie. Castro is a SCUM-SCUM-SCUM BAG of the greatest magnitude! He is a filthy thief! And you happen to agree with him just like Berrios and Bras does, right?

                          Folks, is this the kind of person you want taking over our beloved island? I hope not. Open your eyes!


                          who are the true owners of all things, and resources in the country. No one individual, therefore, can claim to own anything privately,
                          BINGO! There it is Folks! Here is Eddie's (and Bras/Berrios) leap of faith and sleight of hand. Under socialism you are committing a crime to own anything. That makes me want to go out and work my nails off to give it away, right? NOT! You see, these socialistic Commies, like Eddie, want your goods. They are jealous that YOU have and They don't. Communism is basically coveting what your neighbor has and then shooting him to get what he has so you can keep it. The thugs in power end up living in opulence fueled by the blood of those they kill, rape and steal from. Eddie belongs to this philosophical and ideological camp. You can't believe what he says. No God, no morals, just simply the worship of his own EGO in power. That is Eddie and commies in general. They are all liars (including Berrios and Bras).

                          because all is from a government that comes from the People, and in which all things must be returned to the People, if and when, that becomes NECESSARY!
                          Look at the ridiculous stupidities and illogical statements this guy is making. He says, "You can't own anything, then he says that "all things must be returned to the People." What a bunch of manure filled platitudes. Then he has the ghall to say, that those goods will be returned, "if and then, that becomes NECESSARY!" Yup... while there is extreme poverty as the result of government sanctioned confiscation of private property and while the leaders drink $400.00 wine they are thinking, "Gee... we gotta return this stuff to those poor folks who can't even find milk, meat, etc." I'm sure those socialists and commies are losing a lot of sleep trying to figure out how to RETURN the stolen stuff, eh, Eddie? Get a life, dude... and get a new brain!

                          Moreover, from his other boring and incessant postings,
                          Yeah... that is the label you put an everything that anyone says who does not agree with your stupidities and irrational ego-centric ramblings. Grow up, Eddie. This is the twenty-first century. Marxism and Communism is a dead religion. Give it up and stop living with your mommie. Become an adult, finally and join the rest of us.

                          he is ever stuck in the rut of the desuetude of archaic usages, such as religionism,
                          Eddie, that is because in your religion of the worship of self and the state, you cannot have other gods. In your world EDDIE is the only god/goddess!

                          Folks, can you see the disdain and religious intolerance that this old toast Marxist has? Ask yourself the question, "Is it possible that Berrios and Bras might be cut from the same tree?" Let him who has eyes see.


                          and he is incessantly repeating by statement, implication, and personally abusive innuendos that all things and resources come from a deity that is beyond the limits of human understanding.
                          Beyond the limits of YOUR [Eddie's] understanding. You see, Eddie, you are missing your God-receiver. Hence you cannot talk to the Control Tower. You are flying solo through the clouds of life. I feel sorry for you, dude. Guess what is on the other side of those dark clouds?

                          Folks, just like with most hardcore atheists, Eddie has ripped his God receptor circuits out and tossed them into the ocean, claiming he is the "master of his own soul." In his heart he rants and raves at God. God smiles and laughs at Eddie's foolishness (Psalm 14:1). Poor fool!


                          And this deity cannot be reached by human reason, but must be generated in the emotional area of the human being.
                          [b] Are you saying that there is no validity to our emotions? Be careful, Eddie. I hope you do not show any emotions if you get mugged or if you get attacked by a grizzly bear, dude! I'm sure you are not putting down aesthetics and the order of beauty which invokes "feelings" in all of us, eh? I guess when you have "fallen in love" you don't show any emotions, right? I pity your lovers, dude. If you have kids, I pity them more.[b]


                          The same 'sing-song' is constantly stressed that has been heard from bygone days, and centuries, a cantaleta that is the old canard of faith or belief, which is not of human reason, but of an emotional source and/or stimulation (heh!).
                          Folks, and that was taken directly out of the play book of atheists. You see, Eddie can't look at himself in the mirror here. Why? Because what he just said, has been uttered time and time again by atheistic literature, professors, eccentrics, etc. He is simply parroting his atheistic mentors. Eddie does not have one single original thought here. Yet, he tries to postulate himself as the only valid voice or "reason." That also is typical of hardcore atheists like Eddie. Herein lies their religion of self-worship. Deep down he detests me because I uncover his blunt and barren hypocrisy and the sham of his religion of the Un-god. Bottom line, he hates God and is a spiritual anarchist and cynic. That is why Communism is so attractive to him. Pray for him, will you, Folks? God have mercy on the poor fool.

                          And fooling around with this business of faith for centuries has not improved the world, not even one iota. The world is still as cruel, brutal, and violent as it ever was, and, now with nuclear threats, even getting worse by the minute.
                          Also taken out of the playbook of atheism. Tell me about Mother Teresa, Eddie. Tell me about Henry Neuwen, Eddie. Tell me about Albert Sweitzer, Eddie. Tell me about how missionaries have set up hospitals in places where the commies have abandoned their comrades. Ever heard of Samaritan's Purse? I went to school with the president of that organization. Guess what they do and they do it quite well... better than many governments (socialistic and corrupt ones). I could go on and on, dude. I could take you to the delapidated country of Haiti and show you what a Christian couple have done for the poor destitute orphans there. They have devoted their entire life to giving hope to abandoned kids there. They have reached, helped, and educated thousands quite effectively. Eddie... you might want to retract your ignorant talk.


                          [Edited by AnotherRican on 15th November 2002 at 17:45]

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                            Re: A.R.'s Diatribe of Ranting and Raving...


                            Folks;

                            A.R. has not done an exegesis of analysis upon my criticisms of his post to Leticia, in which among other things, he calls me and Camano thiefs, and in his latest calls all of socialism (which includes the type found in the Scandinavian countries, too) thievery.

                            What he posts to us all is merely a diatribe full of ranting, raving, and personal abusiveness directed at all supporters of scientific socialism, not only myself and Camano.

                            It's proved, therefore, that he is definitely an off-the-wall crazie of the bible belt of right-wing religionist nutcases, i.e., a bible fundamentalist who looks degenerately towards the tarring and feathering of persons who do not agree with his religionism, nor with his crazy political views.

                            His brain is so sick that he doesn't even know the significant distinctions between a Liberal like Nancy Pelosi from San Francisco, and a scientific socialist of the International. The former skims the wealth of the nation, while the latter knows that the People is the Government, and that they have seen the dawn and it is red, and that in the depths of their hearts, the People of the World are communists.

                            It appears that crazies like A.R. will have to learn the truth the hard way! Too bad for him/her.....JaJaJajaja

                            HACIA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE BORICUAS,
                            Soy Puertorrique/no y Punto.
                            EddieR
                            E.1: TWO STEPS FORWARD, ONE STEP BACK - V.I. Lenin

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                              Eddie still sidesteps the obvious questions... He's in denial. He's a sham.

                              Originally posted by Eddier1

                              Folks;

                              A.R. has not done an exegesis of analysis upon my criticisms of his post to Leticia,
                              Eddie, I dare say that you have no idea, obviously, of what true exegesis is. If it is like the "exegesis" you did on Francis Shaeffer, then it stinks.

                              Folks, herein is the arrogance of atheists like Eddie. They feel that only they are entitled to present "balanced intelectual" treatment of topics. This is a psychosis atheists exhibit pretty consistently. Remember that Berrios and Bras tend to have this elitism view of themselves also. Is that what you want for P.R.?

                              So, Eddie, get down from your "beautiful ballon." It is ready to pop!


                              in which among other things, he calls me and Camano thiefs, and in his latest calls all of socialism (which includes the type found in the Scandinavian countries, too) thievery.
                              What do you called an entity that legally takes all your private and hard earned possessions away and tells you all you own belongs to "the peoples"?

                              Answer this... and this is what you are Eddie. For you and Camano believe this dogma with religious fervor. It is at your core. Your sick core. I feel sorry for you.


                              What he posts to us all is merely a diatribe full of ranting, raving, and personal abusiveness directed at all supporters of scientific socialism, not only myself and Camano.
                              Ah... that makes Eddie exempt of such "diatribes?" HOw about your accusations in this post where you don't answer one question about your bankrupt atheism or Marxism/Communism? You dance the Cha-Cha-Cha attempting to sidestep the spotlight on your ridiculous fossilized beliefs.

                              It's proved,
                              Oh reeeeally? Now you are pontificating and pronouncing your version of dogma, eh, Eddie. About now you should be feeling like a hypocrite in denial! Mr. Exegete-wanna-be!

                              therefore, that he is definitely an off-the-wall crazie of the bible belt of right-wing religionist nutcases, i.e., a bible fundamentalist who looks degenerately towards the tarring and feathering of persons who do not agree with his religionism, nor with his crazy political views.
                              [b]Eddie, you can't be original even if you wanted to. It is amazing how you continue to parrot your athiestic doctrinal mentors here. You are a fundamentalist atheist... a hard core atheist which means you are a spiritual deviant and anarchist. You hate any semblance of God in your life. I bug you because I make you face your own empty religion of self-worship. You are a sham, Eddie. Don't try to sidestep that. Be honest at least and don't dance the stupid atheist dance of superiority and arrogance that infect most atheists with a penchant for deliberate cynicism.[/quote]

                              His brain is so sick that he doesn't even know the significant distinctions between a Liberal like Nancy Pelosi from San Francisco, and a scientific socialist of the International.
                              Don't be silly, Eddie. I'm not as close-minded as your atheistic cronies who can't exercise tolerance to differing views. You exhibit that intolerance in your post. You are happy with anyone as long as they agree with your dreams.
                              Probably Nancy Pelosi has more things going for her than for you. At least she is claiming Bush's mantra of Bi-partisanship now. That is more open-minded than your worldview. In yours, you cannot include theists with opinions as strong or stronger than yours, Mr. Playground bully.


                              The former skims the wealth of the nation, while the latter knows that the People is the Government, and that they have seen the dawn and it is red, and that in the depths of their hearts, the People of the World are communists.
                              You are one sick puppy. Yes, Communism is red because of the Blood it spills from those it rapes and kills. It would be amazing to make a documentary of left-over Commies in the USA and see what kind of lives they live. Eddie's is simple... he spends his days playing PlayStation2 and is obese and is supported by his mommie who is now very old. What will happen to Eddie when she can't take care of him any longer?

                              Folks... look at how "red" Eddie is here, by his own admission. If he were to be in political power or someone like him (Berrios, Bras) guess what he would do? Would there be a mass exodus? Yup... for many it will be toooo late. You see... Eddie's future Puerto Rico is "red!" That means you cannot worship God as you please (he hates God) and you cannot own a darn thing for it belongs to "the Peoples" like him (Eddie). You will definitely loose weight, because there will be scarcity of goods and meat. Is this what you want?

                              It appears that crazies like A.R. will have to learn the truth the hard way! Too bad for him/her.....JaJaJajaja
                              Ha,ha,ha,ha... laugh fool! Why is "truth" important to you... for an atheist there is no truth... it is all relative and depends on who decides it is truth, eh, Eddie?
                              Try again... despite your futility, Sicko!


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