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  • #16
    MAYBE YOU ARE A LATIN AMERICAN. NOT ME. I NEVER LIKE IT WHEN THEY CALLED US LATIN AMERICANS.WE ARE HISPANICS. I'M PUERTO RICAN AND YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT GUARIONEX I KNOW ABOUT PUERTO RICAN HISTORY.THAT WHY I LIKE HIM.I ALSO THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE STUPID POLITICIANS IN PUERTO RICO PEOPLE CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH. WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE MASTER THE LANGUAGE.IS A SHAME HOW PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRY'S COME TO THE STATE AND HAVE BETTER JOBS THAN THE PUERTO RICANS.SOME OF THEN LIKE THE MEXICANS LEARN ENGLISH FAST AND MOVE ON.AND WE AMERICANS STAY BEHIND SO DON'T TALK ABOUT DISCRIMINATION EVERY ONE ELSE IS MAKING IT. EXCEPT FOR THE DUMB PUERTORICAN THAT DON'T KNOW THE OPPOOTINITIES THEY HAVE.

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    PEACE BROTHERS AND SISTERS
    PEACE BROTHERS AND SISTERS

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    • #17

      Deja Puerto Rico como esta. Estado Libre Asociado. Hawaii no tiene 2 languages only english and there is only one school that
      ofers the hawaiian language to the students, we will loose a lot!! Our language and our way to be PRicans , I got a Question How many of you still celebrates el Dia De Los Reyes, El 6 de Enero?

      remember, Cuando TITO TRINIDAD subio al ring en contra de O.De La Hoya fue la bandera de UNA ESTRELLA, la Bandera de nosotros en el ring no la de los EEUU. Cada vez que vemos una miss universo que bueno decir que Puerto Rico esta entre las concursantes no entre las otras 50. Es bueno no necesitar green card para entrar y salir a los EEUU. Pero Tampoco ser otra Cuba!!!
      We have the best of both worlds.

      CACIQUE
      100% BORICUA
      Jesus Ramos
      cacique_1999

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      • #18
        BUENO MI GENTE!

        EACH ONE HAS A GOOD REASON WHY P.R. SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BE A STATE. NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IF WE DID BECOME A STATE WE WOULD LOSE OUR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE. TO LOSE ONES CULTURE IS A MATTER OF CHOICE. WE CHOSE TO KEEP OUR CULTURE AND WAY OF LIFE. WE EVEN SHARED OUR WAY OF LIFE WITH MANY STATES, INCLUDING HAWAII. WE SHOULD RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINIONS! WE ALL CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR WONDERFUL COUNTRY. THIS FORUM PROVES THAT. I DON'T FEEL BECAUSE SOME WANT TO BE STATE HOOD THAT THEY ARE BETRAYING WHO WE ARE. I FEEL WE WOULD BENEFIT MORE IF WE WERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A BRIGHT TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN PUERTO RICO. HOW OUR OWN GOVERNMENT DRAINS THE POOR OF WHATEVER LITTLE MONEY THEY GET. TOLL BOOTHS FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER. THEN AGAIN HOW MANY JOBS DID THAT OPEN UP? I LOVE MY COUNTRY. I LOVE THE PEOPLE AND I AM PROUD OF WHO I AM. NOT FOR ONCE DO I FORGET WHERE I'M FROM. YES IT'S FINE TO WANT TO STAY ON WELFARE, COLLECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND AGE 35, AND HAVE NO JOBS TO OFFER THE PEOPLE. I'M PRETTY SURE I COULD GO ON AND ON. ANYBODY BEEN TO ARECIBO LATELY? IT'S ALMOST DEAD! THAT USE TO BE SUCH A LIVELY PLACE. NOW IT'S JUST A DESERTED AREA. WELL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU CHOOSE PUERTO RICO TO BE, I LOVE YOU ALL. TAKE CARE, AND RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINIONS!!!

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        • #19
          What is left to say? We got a little of both sides. I, myself, believe that you can not take away someone's heritage unless they allow it. Like when someone tells me to speak english, I turn and look at them and ask them what is their heritage? Then they get the message.
          I know that statistically Hispanics will be the largest minority group in the year 2000.
          I also know for a fact that by the year 2030 the Hispanic elderly will be the largest minority group.
          I don't know that becoming a state would be of harm or benefit to the island. I know that we need to educate our people and our children.
          66% of the Hispanic head of households do not have high school diplomas, 50% high school drop out rate and 40% of our people already live in poverty. see www.hhs.gov/about/heo/hisp.html)
          We are right to fear that the american way will take over because we are not being educated. When we are educated we will have the means of fighting back and keeping our heritage (or what is left of it). Industry in Puerto Rico is own largely in part by White Americans. Change will happen in this millenium and it is up to us to figure out who it will benefit. Puerto Rico is known for the stubbornness of it's people. Like in history when we threw the rocks at those who wished to make us slaves, even to the point where they burned our island. I am proud to be Puerto Rican and proud to be stubborn because no one will ever steal the spirit in me. The spirit of my ancestors, India soy siempre!!! I love my heritage and I cry for my people. We need leaders and more reasons to fight than to just keep a language, a language that wasn't even ours to begin with.
          India siempre

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          • #20
            I hear you Jazarel!!!! There is only one way someone can take the culture away, and that is if we allow it to happen. I havn't seen it happen yet! Look at all the big east coast cities. How many spanish communities are there? I remember when I used to go to the bodegas, I had to ask for the products in spanish!!! It's still the same way!!! They havn't allowed the culture to be taken away. Look here in Hawaii. 25 years ago we had Gigi Avila the avangilist spreading the gospel on the radio for 1/2 an hour. Next thing you know we had another half hour of Puertorican music. Here they commonly called it cachi-cachi. Now we have saturday and sunday and still spreading through the TV. We don't have a spanish TV station, but gives time, we will have one!!! So Puerto Rico won't loose anything! They won't allow it to happen. Who is taking away my right to speak and pratice who I am. Nobody!!!!!!! Love and peace to all. Feliz Navidades a todos y un prospero ano nuevo. Mele kali ki maka.

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            • #21
              Keeptrying:

              You hit the nail right on the head. I went to Seattle on vacation last summer, and by chance I went to the part of the state east of the Cascades. The entire region is dedicated to growing apples. I was amazed, there were more Mexicans in that part of the country than Anglos. Spanish is really the second language de-facto of the state of Washington. I suspect that this phenomenon is happening all iver the country, we hispanics are taking over the country by storm. To have Puerto Rico as a State would be the first step in getting more recognition for our ethnic group. In fact Anglos cringe in fright at the prospect. However, I think that our own Puerto Rican brothers (the most loud ones) are too Racistas to want Puerto Rico to become a State. I think that all this fear of becoming a State is more fueled by Racism in our ranks than by valid arguments. Yes, as Hispanics we have this ingrained Superiority Complex (or is it Inferiority?) that wants all or nothing. Like the Conquistadores, we don't want to allow for other cultures but our own. Fine, we have a very Synthetic Culture, one tha can absorb more than the Anglo and still retain its uniqueness (to Synthetize is to absorb, combine many into one). And our Culture pays allot less attention to skin color than the Anglo's. But, we are so very Racist also. It manifests itself in Fragmentating Regionalism. Go to Puerto Rico: people from la Montaña feel so different and look with so much contempt to people from la Costa.

              Got to go and buy breakfast; Ciao!

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              Manuel Alonso

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              • #22
                "We hispanics are taking the country by storm" is a reason why so many people fear hispanics. That sounds like an invaison. I don't think hispanics want to be feared. Hispanics want to be accepted. When you use language like that it seperates rather then brings us together.
                When Hawai'i became a state the vote for statehood was a clear majority. Hawai'i entered as the first Asian dominant state. The first state where whites were a minority. Washinton State elected the first Asian-American governor a few years ago. He was the first Asian-American governor on the mainland.
                Statehood shouldn't be about money. If Puerto Ricans want to join the union it should be because they want to be "part" of and help "shape" the future of the USA. As for "Americanization" of Puerto Rico. I think it is viewed totally different outside the island. Puerto Rico's economy is already Americanized, but it's culture, and language are still strong. My friends from Spain went to Puerto Rico and they said it was the best place in Latin America because of the "blend" of the two worlds, not because it was "Americanized". When each ethnic group comes to the USA, they bring with them their traditions and culture. They "blend" it with the Anglo culture and that is what makes the USA so wonderful. Europeans, Asians, Africans, and Latin Americans all contribute to the American Culture. We celebrate St. Patricks Day, here in NY with big parades and parties, even though many people are not Irish. We have a Puerto Rican Day parade, and many people attend, and sample the foods, even if they are not Puerto Rican. Sushi is becoming popular, and that is not an Anglo food. Columbus Day Parades in October, and the Italians march and show off their proud heritage.
                What is "Americanization"? All it is, is a blend of many cultures into one. It's idea's and beliefs brough to this country from all over the world. The US constitution was based on an Native American Tribe's doctrine. There was never an Ameircan Race. "We" who choose to be "Americans" are the "American" race. There is no color, not specific requirements, just a belief, and a dream. Our history is only 200 years old. Can you compare this to China, India, France, Egypt, Turkey, Russia? No.
                Puerto Ricans have to decide whether they want to join this or not. It's already been 100 years. It's time to make your future before it is made for you.

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                • #23
                  Who's history is only 200 years old?

                  We're all American's - yes - this is true...

                  North Americans, Central Americans, South Americans, Jewish Americans, Irish Americans, Italo-Americans. But ask David Duke whether that makes us Anglo enough in his eyes.

                  Puerto Rico being free and sovereign ( free to rule itself ) has nothing to do with not wanting to be Americans. We will always be
                  Americans by virtue of our geographic location. Puerto Rico being free and sovereign has nothing to do with being Anti-US and comunist. The Cold War ERA is over. Comunism has failed. There are no comunist guerrilla factions in PR waiting for independence to declare it a Comunist Republic. That will never happen because the people of PR will not allow it.

                  What is wrong I ask with PR being an independent nation with diplomatic and economic ties to the US and England and France and the Netherlands and South Africa?
                  What is wrong with PR being free to decide with whom it does business. (We do not have that freedon now - commerce is controlled by US Trade laws).

                  There is nothing wrong with it. There are just too many Puertyo Ricans who have bought into the "we are too small" line that has been sold to us in the last 100 years. We suffer the effects of the "colonized mind". We are to afraid to grow up and move out of our parents home. It's time for our parent to cut the umbilical cord and yell out loud and clearly " OH Grow up ".


                  IDJ

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                  Que Viva Puerto Rico Libre.

                  [This message has been edited by IDeJesus (edited 13 December 1999).]
                  Que Viva Puerto Rico Libre.

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                  • #24
                    IDEJESUS YOU ARE CORRECT THESE STATEHOODERS
                    SEE COMMUNIST IN EVERY SHADOW THEY TRY TO
                    MAKE PEOPLE FEAR INDEPENDENCE BY SAYING ITS
                    A COMMIE PLOT,THEY ARE AFRAID OF THE UNKNOWN
                    THEY SAY WE CANT MAKE IT WITHOUT AMERICA.
                    I AM AFRAID OF WHAT I KNOW HOW I SEE HAWAII
                    ONCE ITS OWN COUNTRY NOW VERY AMERICANIZED
                    IT ORIGINAL CULTURE DISPLAYED FOR TOURIST
                    BY FILIPINO,WHITE,JAPANESE HULA DANCERS.
                    THEY NOW HAVE A SECESSIONIST MOVEMENT GOING
                    BUT ONCE A STATE ALWAYS A STATE.
                    WE MUST KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST STATEHOOD LET
                    THESE RADICAL STATEHOODERS RANT AND RAVE
                    PEOPLE WILL SEE THEY ARE JUST AFRAID TO BE
                    WITHOUT THE U.S.A. THEY WANT WELFARE & FOOD
                    STAMPS AND THEY ARE WILLING TO SURRENDER
                    THEIR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE AND THEIR BROTHERS
                    IN VIEQUES FOR IT!!!!!
                    QUE VIVA PUERTO RICO LIBRE Y SOBERANO!!!

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                    • #25
                      QUE VIVA LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS Y PUERTO RICO!!!

                      QUE VIVA ESTA GRAN NACION Y LA TIERRA DEL COQUI.

                      I GAVE MY WORD TO DEFEND THIS COUNTRY FROM FOREIN AND DOMESTIC ENEMIES AND THAT INCLUDES YOU INDEPENDENTISTAS (2%). YOU ARE A ENEMY OF THE DESIRE OF THE SUPER MAYORITY AND THAT IS TO BE PART OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AS ARE OVER ALL NATION.
                      I WILL OBEY ALL MY ODERS TO DEFEND AND DESTROY ALL THE ENEMIES OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY ON A MOMENTS NOTICE. MY PEOPLE WILL NOT HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR TRUE FREEDOM FOR CULTURAL IGNORANCE YOU AND ME WERE BORN UNDER THE OLD GLORY AND WEL WILL DIE UNDER IT.



                      [This message has been edited by ABEJORRO (edited 13 December 1999).]

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                      • #26
                        The USA's history is 200 years old. Before 1776, they were seperate states. Seperate governments, laws, etc. After 1776 they merged and that is when the US as a nation came into existance. So the USA's history is 223 years old to be exact.
                        As for David Duke, who cares what he thinks. He has never held office. He can run all he wants, but he has no backing behind him. He comes from Louisiana. He may be of French background and the word "Anglo" means "English speaking northern Europeans". French, Italian, and Spanish are all latin languages. He is only one man, you can't label all white people David Duke. There are racists in all races in every part of the world.
                        What is wrong with Puerto Rico being an independent nation? Nothing. If this is what they want. It is easy for you and I to tell them what they should do. We both live here on the mainland. We vote in State elections, pay state taxes, and are represented in Washington. So if PR did become independent it must be their choice to make, not ours. They are the ones who must vote for their future. So even if independence is achived and things are hard for them, we still have our comfortable jobs, and our nice apartments/houses here. I admire the support you have for a free Puerto Rico, but you speak from the heart, not the head. No one knows what independence will bring to the island. On the last referendum the parties involved were all promising things that the US government will never agree to, like duel citizenship. You can't have two countries and one citizenship. Washington will never agree to it. If PR did become independent they will have their own citizenship, there would have to be passport controls set up, and PR would have to join NAFTA unless there was something worked out. So it is easy to say PR will be better off because you aren't living there. Puerto Ricans would have to go to the US Embassy in order to move here because there is not going to be a free flow of people as they say. Because we both know it will only flow one way. The quota for immigrants is 20,000 a year.
                        As for this communist thing. I agree. It will never happen. Communism has been falling all over the place. Even China is working in a market economy, and some tools of diplomacy. Castro knows his system is a failure but is too stuborn to be the "father" of a democratic Cuba rather then a communist/socialist one. I also think Puerto Rico would never let it happen because it would ruin everything they have developed and worked hard on. Their skilled labor would leave, and investment would cease. An independent PR will not be communist. However it won't be a powerhouse either. PR already does have trade and investment from Europe, and Latin America. Spain just bought the telephone company a year or two ago. The Dominican Republic is also PR's second biggest trading partner. Being a commonwealth has not prevented PR from trade and investment.
                        As I stated earlier, I don't know which I would give moral support to: Independence or Statehood. Both have their plus' and minus'. To be honest, that is something the islanders have to deal with. They have to decide what is best for them. What we have to do is support what ever choice they make.
                        I know you are not going to give up on your dream of an Independent PR, but it has to be their dream as well. They need to get that 3-5% who support independence up to 55% or more. So you have your work cut out for you!

                        [This message has been edited by keeptrying (edited 15 December 1999).]

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                        • #27
                          Hi El Boricua! Have you been to Puerto Rico lately? Wel-fare is rampant in that small little country. People trying to collect SSI at an early age of 40. People collecting unemployment who didn't work one ounce in that wonderful country. They went to the united states to work 6 months out of the year so they could go home and kick back for six months to a years pending on the unemployment percentage. Are you saying we don't need USA? We are dependent on all the help they give us. Yea,I guess you are right we should be independent. We should go on our own and not be dependent on no one. Yea, we should take care of our own people. Oh! wait a minute! Does that mean taking away my welfare check. Well let's think about it first, let's not make hasty decision. I got rent to pay, and food to put on my table!!!
                          There is a lot more to indepence than meets the eye. They don't want to be independent. They want thing to go as they are right now!!! Which is fine with me also!!! God bless you El Boricua.

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                          • #28
                            If Puerto Rico were Independent…

                            I guess that we would have to print our own money; no problem with that, if there is a good economy to back it up. However, since I lived most of my life in the Island, I know how corrupt our politicians and business leaders are, I wouldn’t be surprised if we had hyper-inflation like in Mexico and Brazil.

                            Without having a prior Death Penalty we would either have to become a Police State or an Anarchic Paradise (a la “Escape from L. A.”) , where only the strong get Justice from their own fist [and gun]. And if our Puerto Rican Police Force becomes corrupt [we do have a tendency to tie up their hands and treat them like dirt], who is going to keep an eye on them? – Right now the FBI keeps an eye on our PR Police.

                            Having more than 500,000 Dominicans in the Island, and knowing we do have a definite bent on Racism [otherwise there would be not so many Dominican Jokes], I have a feeling that genocide a la Kosovo is a definite possibility.

                            The Catholic Clergy swears that 98 percent of Puerto Ricans are Catholic, not facing the truth that nearly 50 percent of the Island is Evangelical of one kind or another (with a majority of them Pentecostals). Never mind that most of the rest of the people who say are Catholic don’t practice their religion at all. Seeing how Catholic Persecutions have happened in Mexico and Colombia, where the priests have led mobs in killing Protestants, what is there to stop that from happening in Puerto Rico? An Atheist Government (I’m sorry, I should have said a “Secular Government”)?

                            The Problem with the proponents of Independence is that they DELIBERATELY IGNORE Human Nature. If our culture were disciplined, frugal and responsible I would be there to fight for our Independence. But it is not. And if you read the history books (Fray Iñigo Abbad and other old books), you would notice that our inclination towards Indolence and Vice (back then it was rum, sex [particularly sodomy] and cockfights) dates from the days when we were a Spanish Crown Colony. That is the Independentistas, they stick their heads in the sand and DELIBERATELY IGNORE the facts. They make an Ideological Construct in their minds, filled with Utopian fervor, totally devoid of Reality, and then they claim that they are the sole representatives of the Wellbeing of Our People. And these are extremely loud in making those claims, drowning out with their loud rhetoric anyone who opposes them. A tiny political minority in our Island (not even 10%), but they don’t care if they have to push their ideology by force. They use Democracy to attain their Un-Democratic aims, and what will we do when they have their way? They, like most of their ideological progenitors (Communism, Anarchism, Fascism, National Socialism, Khmer Rouge, Sendero Luminoso, Frente Farabundo Marti, los Macheteros…) don’t have any qualms about taking power by force. They do not have any qualms about establishing a dictatorship. Remember, they know better than the rest of us how to run our own lives; or so they think.

                            Just a thought from someone who has to drive 100 miles a day to feed his family (and spends half of what he earns paying taxes jus so that a heroin addict in Puerto Rico can turn his Cupones into the "fix" of the day).

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                            Manuel Alonso

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                            • #29
                              Esto es lo que hace el gobierno Federal tan admirado por los estadistas puertorriquenos!!

                              San Juan Questions Spy Settlement
                              15:23EST

                              By CHRIS HAWLEY
                              Associated Press Writer
                              12/15/99

                              SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- When the Puerto Rican police department released more than
                              135,000 secret dossiers on suspected independence supporters, it laid bare a landscape of
                              deception in this U.S. territory.

                              Shocked islanders found that friends and co-workers had been spying on them in part of a vast
                              effort to quash anti-U.S. sentiments. Students found themselves unaccountably linked to
                              terrorists. Businessmen and women found evidence that they had been denied jobs and
                              scholarships.

                              On Tuesday, after 10 years of legal battles, the government apologized and offered $5.7 million
                              to compensate them. Many say that's not enough.

                              "You can't heal people's lives so easily,'' said Felix Colon Morera, 47, who was stunned when he
                              saw the 1,000-page file on his militant activities during his college days.

                              Inside were photos, descriptions of the inside of his house, interviews with neighbors and
                              employers, careful notes from rallies he had attended and comments linking him to a terrorist
                              group of which he says he had never heard. The last and most chilling item, filed in 1983, was a
                              picture of his newly wed wife.

                              "It made you feel like ... something in a government laboratory,'' Colon said. The surveillance
                              was declared unconstitutional and the files released to their subjects in 1989.

                              On Tuesday, Gov. Pedro Rossello offered "a solemn and sincere apology ... for the concoction
                              and maintenance of these files.''

                              In an attempt to settle lawsuits by thousands of victims, he offered to pay $6,000 to each
                              plaintiff with more than 30 pages in their files. Others with more than 30 pages who had
                              expressed interest in suing but have not yet filed claims would receive $3,000.

                              The announcement comes amid a surge in nationalistic sentiment fostered by a battle with the
                              U.S. Navy over a bombing range on an outlying Puerto Rican island. President Clinton's recent
                              release of 11 pro-independence militants jailed for seditious conspiracy has also reopened debate
                              on Puerto Rico's relationship with the United States, which won the island from Spain in 1898.

                              Police began collecting information on suspected independence activists after the government
                              passed a 1948 law making it illegal to show the Puerto Rican flag, sing nationalist songs or hold
                              independence rallies.

                              It was part of government efforts to rein in radicals as it negotiated its current commonwealth
                              arrangement with Washington. Later, FBI-trained agents expanded the program to track
                              suspected communists and terrorists.

                              The operation was exposed during investigations into an undercover agent's role in a the police
                              killing of two young independence supporters in 1978.

                              "An extraordinary amount of effort went into following people and maintaining these files, and
                              the damage they caused was enormous,'' said civil rights lawyer Judith Berkan, whose own
                              dossier contains hundreds of pages.

                              Former psychologist Carmen Rios Rivera trembled with anger when she read one typewritten
                              1972 entry from her dossier: "Several patients of the psychiatric hospital escaped and the
                              person above was identified as an employee of this institution with separatist tendencies.''
                              Another entry has her boss giving undercover agents permission to watch her.

                              "These kinds of implications are shameless,'' Rios said. She blames the dossier for a string of
                              missed promotions and denied transfers that prompted her to quit psychology.

                              Thousands of unclaimed files -- as well as lists of undercover agents, informants and the people
                              who read the dossiers -- remain sealed in a building in central San Juan.

                              Many activists say the surveillance hobbled the independence movement, which has won less
                              than 5 percent of votes in recent referendums.

                              "The dossiers linked being pro-independence with being a criminal,'' said Javier Colon, 43, who
                              wrote a book about the dossiers, including surveillance of him that began when he was 15. "You
                              get the feeling that there will always be people who mean well but have an agenda against you,
                              and that fear stays with you for the rest of your life.''


                              Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
                              Que Viva Puerto Rico Libre.

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                              • #30
                                La noticia de arriba ya ha sido contestada por mi. Porque dañan el foro poniendo la misma cosa en todos los lugares. por favor seamos creativos y desmostremos nuestro talento sin copiar noticias de otro. Todos aquí tenemos computadoras e Intenenet gratis en toda la Nación Americana ( también en Puerto Rico por ser parte de ella) y vemos los periódicos.

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