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  • #31
    This message is for El Boricua.

    This whole dispute over Puerto Rico becoming the 51st state of America has nothing to do with the United States government. It solely involves the people of Puerto Rico. they have to speak out and have their voice heard the loudest. I agree with every statement you make. But in order for us puertoricans to be heard, our voice and opinion must be united, louder, and stronger than that of the American people. It is time for us to put aside our differences and start agreeing to certain things. Compromise and patience are the only keys for us to have our people united and loud and strong.

    God Bless

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    • #32
      Unfortunatly this one issue is not as easy to agree upon. I agree that when people come together they will be heard, but unfortunatly this one issue has totally divided the people. The last few referendums have shown the split among the population with roughly 38% favoring commonwealth, 36% statehood, and 3-4% independence. That isn't even half the population favoring one party. This means that if the people are not united, nothing will be done.

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      • #33
        InesDeJesus:

        Sweetheart, do you know that your beloved Cuba has an INFORMER COMMITTEE in every Barrio? And to this very day they still do this in Cuba. At least the Carpetas are almost 20 years old, while in Cuba you still have to whisper every time you talk. What is worse, the "Carpetas" or the Neighborhood Informers?

        However, when one is fanatic about Socialism, reality is only seen through very distorted glasses.

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        desde_el_Jurutungo_de_Bairoa
        desde_el_Jurutungo_de_Bairoa: Manuel Alonso "El Jíbaro"

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        • #34
          WHY SOMEONE WHO WANTS INDEPENDENCE FOR PUERTO RICO HAVE TO BE A SOCIALIST OR
          A MARXIST,MAOIST OR WHATEVER I BELIEVE
          IN THE INDEPENDENCE OF PUERTO RICO I AM
          NOT A COMMUNIST I SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES
          AND I AM NOT ANTI AMERICAN I JUST THINK IT'S TIME TO PART WAYS.

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          • #35
            Hi people! I just wanted to say Feliz Navidades a todos mis hermanos y hermanas! Enjoy the holidays and take care and be safe. Don't drink and drive!


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            • #36
              We are just opening up the 21st century, and who knows what it has in store for us, and the World. Lets not limit our options to 19th century categories. We always end up fighting over anexation, sovereignty, or something in between--associationism of some sort.

              First World nations are already re-drawing their conceptions of political organization. They are beginning to feel the gap between economic and social currents on a global scale, and their anachronistic political formulas. Puerto Rican politicians have never been men and women of formula--we couldn't afford to be. We have always been prepared to bend the canons and find a way amidst conflict and confusion. When the US pushed for militarism, blue-colarism, vocationalism, monolingualism, economic subserviancy and monoculture, political acquiescence, and so many other things they thought was more fitting to who they perceived us to be (or needed us to be), our leadership found a way. The Commonwealth was a great experiment in compromise, and it brought us into the 20th century. Internal administrative self-regulation was a first necessary step away from the old colonial formulas.

              Now we need to figure out how to expand beyond current forms of dependency. And we need to understand that in the year 2000 and beyond, Sovereignty may not be our best option. Of course, incorporation into the Union a-la-Hawaii has never been a good option for us, which is why the people have defeated it at home and at the poles. Commonweath, being more a platform for the future than an option, offers no lasting resolution to the status question. Even Congress was perplexed by Commonwealth when it revisited the question, in the wake of taking a stand on the "referendum" question. Puerto Rico was declared a "territory" with limited internal self-control, notwithstanding the deceptive connotations of the English term "commonwealth" the the Spanish phrase "estado libre associado". Commonwealth only affords us the right to implement at home the dictates and policy of a foreign nation.

              As you work out notions of political structure, think of the economy. But don't fall into these typical, self-defeating assertions (as has El Jibaro), that point to our weaknesses. We are a strong and resourceful people (though not an afluent one within Old Capitalism), and we need to think about where we want to fit within the new World economy. Our political organization should reflect our economic, social and cultural goals. Political thinking should not take dictation from venerable 19th century heroes. Our intelectual forefathers (e.g., Betances, Marti) were men of creation, and they would want us to be creators, as well.

              We need more self-regulation, and we are ready for it. But we need not fall into the trap of thinking that the only path to greater local power is Independence. Lets look at what we have and find small, piecemeal adjustments that would grant the island more effective power. By the time the uncreative politicians and journalists figure it all out, we could be ready to let them know how we are already doing "power", while they were busy spinning their endless, useless webs of infertile language.

              As far as "statehood" is concerned, I am not yet prepared to embrace this option. Although the Union is a diverse place, and local communities do speak in whatever language they please, and non-anglo cultures have managed to capture impresive niches within the continental social ecology, statism holds implications I'm not comfortable with. All these diverse "other-americans" remain "peripheral", not fundamental. Washington does not speak French for Louisiana or Spanish for Miami or Chinesse for California. One does not address Congress in Spanish, simply because one's political base is Puerto Rican. The nation's language is English. The nations President addresses the nation in English. The Pope does not speak to him in Italian, regardless of how many Italians live in New York and other center of money and power. Wall Street does not trade in Japanesse, the latter learn English. And what holds for language, also holds in other areas of culture. One does not sacrifice Shakespeare for Cervantes, where the curriculum only has room for one. If a little school in Miami has to choose, it reads Robert Frost, not Lope de Vega. Luis Rafael Sanches looses out to any North American playright, and I do mean any. I don't want to continue this train of thought; no need beatin the dead horse with the stick. Federal standards embody a conviction that "American" children must know that which Anglo-Americans "know", rather than what their ancestry demands. And their insistance on "culteral literacy" uniformity goes way beyond mathematics and reading, to effect the deprivation of all "americans" from any trace of history not derived through Anglo trails. Statehood is the wrong turn for a people with such an extensive, pre-existing system of roads. We must continue to lay down our own paths, so that their destinations have something to do with where we want to be, and less to do with where someone else need us to be. Representation is essential, but it doesn't have to place us forever in the US Congress. The world is changing, and these transformations apply also to what "representation" matters. Fifty years from now, Congress may no longer serve our nations interests. We need to retain our ability to position ourselves strategically in relation to the demands of historical moments, rather than archaic, foreign legal documents in vaults up in Washington.

              I better stop. I made my point sufficiently, and can furnish beyond this if asked to. Independence is premature at best, and possibly anachronistic. Statehood is late in the game, and bars us from other more attractive contemporary and evolving options. And Commonwealth, to which we owe so much, is but a launchpad to the future. Let's see where we go from here.

              Peace.
              A map of the world that does not
              include Utopia is not worth even glancing at, for it leaves out the
              one country at which Humanity is always landing. And when Humanity
              lands there, it looks out, and, seeing a better country, sets sail.
              Progress is the realisation of Utopias.
              OSCAR WILDE

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              • #37
                In my reading here, I've notice some questions regarding which "geopuertoricans" should resolve the status question. If you live in the US continental, should you even be offering an opinion, let alone an actual vote?

                This is a tough call, but I offer you "science" as a model. When it comes to "accounting" for "light", "sound", "earthquakes", "inflation", "revolutions", or anything else of interest to scientists, does it matter where you live? No, what matters is the strength of your evidence. In Philosophy what matters is the coherence and scope of your arguments. In the arts, it is your artistry that makes you. In nature, if you're fit, you're fit, period. (Even though geography is not irrelevant, genetics and ecology are more to the point.)

                In our political destiny, the "puerto rican mind" must gather information from ALL OF ITS EYES AND EARS. The experiences of Puerto Ricans everywhere must be part of the process, so that the people are as informed as they can be.

                I don't know if this logic extends to the actual "vote". But it seems to me the conversation leading to that vote ought to be as broad as we can make it. Who casts the actual vote is a different matter. I these pages though, and in this conversation we are not casting votes, we are exchanging information. No one should be made to feel "illegitimate" or "second-class". We are all the better off when we have opportunities to fine-tune out ideas in the face of the most wide-ranging contribution of conceptualizations.
                A map of the world that does not
                include Utopia is not worth even glancing at, for it leaves out the
                one country at which Humanity is always landing. And when Humanity
                lands there, it looks out, and, seeing a better country, sets sail.
                Progress is the realisation of Utopias.
                OSCAR WILDE

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                • #38
                  MAYBE JULIA CAN INSPIRE A TURN TO INNOVATION

                  Yo misma fui mi ruta



                  Yo quise ser como los hombres quisieron
                  que yo fuese: un intento de vida; un juego
                  al escondite con mi ser. Pero yo estaba hecha
                  de presentes, y mis pies planos sobre
                  la tierra promisora no resistían caminar hacia atrás,
                  y seguían adelante, adelante,
                  burlando las cenizas para
                  alcanzar el beso de los senderos nuevos.
                  A cada paso adelantado en mi ruta hacia el frente
                  rasgaba mis espaldas el aleteo
                  desesperado de los troncos viejos.
                  Pero la rama estaba desprendida
                  para siempre, y a cada nuevo azote la
                  mirada mía
                  se separaba más y más y más de
                  los lejanos horizontes aprendidos:
                  y mi rostro iba
                  tomando la espresión que le venía
                  de adentro, la expresión definida que asomaba
                  un sentimiento de liberación íntima;
                  un sentimiento que surgía del
                  equilibrio sostenido
                  entre mi vida y la verdad
                  del beso de los senderos nuevos.
                  Ya definido mi rumbo en el presente,
                  me sentí brote de todos los suelos de la tierra,
                  de los suelos sin historia, de los suelos sin porvenir,
                  del suelo siempre suelo sin
                  orillas de todos los hombres y
                  de todas las épocas.
                  Y fui toda en mí como fue en mí la vida…
                  Yo quiese ser como los hombres
                  quisieron que yo fuese: un intento de vida; un
                  juego al escondite con mi ser.
                  Pero yo estaba hecha de presentes;
                  cuando ya los heraldos me anunciaban
                  en el regio desfile de los
                  troncos viejos, se me torció el
                  deseo de seguir
                  a los hombres,
                  y el homenaje se quedó esperándome.

                  Julia de Burgos
                  A map of the world that does not
                  include Utopia is not worth even glancing at, for it leaves out the
                  one country at which Humanity is always landing. And when Humanity
                  lands there, it looks out, and, seeing a better country, sets sail.
                  Progress is the realisation of Utopias.
                  OSCAR WILDE

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                  • #39
                    Carlos:

                    Definitivamente una de las mejores de Julia de Burgos. Gracias por compartir tu conocimiento y pensamientos con nosotros.

                    IDJ
                    Que Viva Puerto Rico Libre.

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                    • #40
                      To El Criollo:

                      In the first place, my name is not Ines and I am not your sweetheart. I ask that you refer to me on this site with the same level of respect with which you address the males that post there thoughts here.

                      Secondly, on the issue of the carpetas, it doesn't surprise me that there are barrio informants in Cuba, a comunist country, which lives in a state of military alert that is fueled by their belief that there are nations that pose a threat to their way of life. We have been conditioned to expect these things from a "communist regime".
                      I am appalled however, when in the land of freedom and human rights, these types of abuses are perpetrated on innocent people, who were simply exercising the freedoms that are so vociferously marketed by this country. I am appalled when mothers and fathers are caused to lose jobs and thus the income with which to feed and house their children just because they have the courage to defend the things they believe in.

                      I am appalled when the principles of the democracy that we hold so dear are trampled upon by the very people who hold themselves out to be the defenders of democracy. Thsi was the point I was trying to make by posting the article about the carpetas to this site. Don't you see the hipocracy of it all?

                      Take care,

                      IDJ

                      Que Viva Puerto Rico Libre.

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