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  • Again the US Forces try to attack Vieques.

    I was surprise again to see on Puerto Rico TV and this time I call a friend
    that live there that the US Forces were about to attack but for some reason
    turn back. Now, I don’t know why they are playing this kind of games with
    the Prican people. They are not going to get any points this way. If you gong to attack then attack. Some thing like this happen in the state and you know what happen. I believe they have a right to be there.
    Prico has try peacefully since world II and no has happen until now. I believe this is waking up our people and showing the dark side of US forces and I always thought it was the President who had the power over
    this guys, the Arm Forces.

  • #2
    Is true Mike. A friend the lives there told me even more. He told me that the arm forces
    want to go in and get a few people hurt and then blame everything to the PIP, the Church,
    and the other groups. Then good news is that the PIP and everyone there all ready know this. Yes, I believe now that maybe this is
    going to free our beautiful PRico once and for all.

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    • #3
      Is true Mike. A friend the lives there told me even more. He told me that the arm forces
      want to go in and get a few people hurt and then blame everything to the PIP, the Church,
      and the other groups. Then good news is that the PIP and everyone there all ready know this. Yes, I believe now that maybe this is
      going to free our beautiful PRico once and for all.

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      • #4
        Is true what Mike is saying. I live there but
        I think I don't understand is why they are
        not reporting the insults the US forces are saying to our brothers. They call us every bad word you could mention not to mention the S word when they come by to take pictures
        I never new they could be so mean. I once supported statehood but now forget it. Now, I might vote for PPD or PIP.

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        • #5
          Yes, this Marines and the arm forces don’t respect you at all. Like Peter, I have always vote for statehood now forget it to.
          I am going to vote for PIP and many are my
          friends are going to do the same thing. Goodbye US. It has fun while it last.

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          • #6
            I got more news for those in the state but
            I will post in today or the next day.

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            • #7
              I live in Vieques but left when I was small.
              I came to live in Vieques after living in
              US for more then 20years. This is what happen
              to PRican the live in the states. They might read Spanish, speak it, understand it but when it come to write it is another story.
              The education system in US don't want you to
              remember how to write in Spanish any longer but
              English only. If they could they wish they could take Spanish out of your system if they could. So you see, I am a product of what US want PR to be but I never really saw it this way until they began to attack Vieques like they doing now. Calling us bad names and Evan using the S word when ever
              they come to take Picture. I and many of my
              friends were followers of the PNP but no longer. Now we joining forces and voting for
              the PIP. 100 years has finally show us how
              US really is.

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              • #8
                Gente estoy cool con que todos esten Pro-Rubén y su asociación de descolonizadores, pero si van a hablar pro-Independencia hablen en
                Español si no los Estadistas se ponen con cosas.

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                • #9
                  What Puerto Rico needs is a Grito de Lares 2000.

                  The "Grito de Lares" is Puerto Rico's first and only cry for Independence. On September 23, 1868 between 600 to 1000 men, mostly Puerto Rican born and from the west of the Island, revolted for Independence from Spain. Of the arrested most were innocent jíbaros their only guilt was being passive victims of the political regime. The citizens of the Capital as well as the wealthy were indifferent to the independence movement. The men were poorly armed without aid, protection or training. The revolt which was planned for September 29th began instead on the 23rd as a result of betrayal.
                  On the evening of the 23rd the most daring met at the farm of Manuel Rojas in Pezuelas, Lares. Led by Manuel Rojas this group of men marched towards Lares. Second in command was Matías Brugman, other leaders were Joaquín Parrilla, Eusebio Ibarra, Manuel Cebollero, Juan Terreforte, Andrés Pol y Gambino Plumey. This group was able to "take" Lares without any resistance before the Spaniards became aware if the revolt. The group proceeded to form a provisional government declaring an independent Puerto Rico Republic. The new President was Francisco Ramírez, Aurelio Méndez was the Government Minister, Clemente Millán was the Justice Minister, Federico Valencia was the Minister of the Treasury, Manuel Ramírez was the Secretary of State, Bernabé Pol was the Secretary. The following day they marched to San Sebastián where the Spanish militia awaited them and the rest is history.
                  Within 24 hours the revolt, which was twelve years in the planning, was defeated by the Spanish government. Of the participants 20 escaped, 8 died in action, 7 were tried by the War Council. Four months later Spain declared a general amnesty. No one was executed or kept in jail over 4 months. However 80 died in jail from yellow fever. The majority of the insurgents were Puerto Ricans and represented diverse socio-economic and racial levels. Of the 551 that were ultimately charged, 93% were born in west Puerto Rico and only 17 in the northeast. Mayagüez and Pepino produced one third of the suspects. 27 towns contributed men with only 10 town supplying 85% of the insurgents. Only 7% were foreign born. Dr. Betances was allowed to go to France in exile.
                  The reasons for the defeat were: the betrayal of the plan; Betances' inability to arrive with the weapons or ammunitions; and the fact that the general citizenry was lukewarm to the movement.
                  The insurrection had several leaders the most prominent being; Ramón Emeterio Betances (1827-1898), leading the movement from exile in Santo Domingo and Segundo Ruiz Belvis (1829-1867) co-leader with Betances. Ana María (Mariana) Bracetti Cuevas (1825-1903), wife of one of the members of the insurrection, sewed the revolutionary flag designed by Betances. The reason for the insurrection were: POVERTY, SLAVERY, taxation, lack of opportunity, and military rule.
                  The revolt was not a total loss. Shortly after the revolt Spain gave the Island many liberal reforms. It extended to Puerto Rico some of the liberal constitution that it had allowed during the war in Spanish America. Puerto Rico received provincial status and Spanish Citizenship was granted to the criollos. Some political reforms granted were allowing Boricuas to participate in special elections and to organize themselves into officially recognized political parties. Abolition of slavery began slowly in 1869 and was completed in 1873 giving freedom to some thirty two thousand slaves. (In 1827 there were approximately four times the number of free Africans in Puerto Rico than slaves. Partly due to the creole's distaste for slavery, often freeing their own slaves.) The libreta system was also canceled during the same year. Some of these concessions were canceled or changed later on but nevertheless the insurrection was fruitful and resulted in an improved lifestyle for the Puerto Ricans.
                  El Grito de Lares is now immortalized. In 1969 Governor Luis A. Ferré, a statehood supporter, declared September 23rd a National Holiday. Lares was declared a Historic Site by the Institute of Puerto Rican Culture. Lares is known as the birthplace of Puerto Rican Nationalism.
                  · Puerto Rico's Revolt for Independence, El Grito de Lares. By Olga Jiménez de Wagenheim.
                  · Diccionario Histórico Bibliográfico Comentado de Puerto Rico.
                  · Nueva Enciclopedia de Puerto Rico de la Geografía, Historia y Cultura.
                  · Puerto Rico Tierra Adentro y Mar Afuera, Historia y Cultura de los Puertorriqueños, by Fernando Picó y Carmen Rivera Izcoa.
                  · Puerto Rico, An Unfinished Story, by Denis J. Hauptly
                  Diez Mandamientos del Hombre Libre (The Ten Commandments of Free Men)
                  Estos mandamientos fueron escritos por Betances y sus amigos en exilio y era la llamada del movimiento independentista hoy llamado El Grito de Lares. (These were written by Bentances and his friends while in exile. And were to be the flagship of the Independence movement known today as El Grito de Lares.)
                  1. Abolición de esclavitud. (Abolition of slavery) 2. Derecho a fijar contribuciones (The right to fix taxes) 3. Libertad de culto (Freedom of worship) 4. Libertad de imprenta (Free press) 5. Libertad de palabra (Free speech) 6. Libertad de comercio (Free trade) 7. Libertad de reunión (Freedom of assembly) 8. Derecho a portar armas (Right to bear arms) 9. Inviolabilidad del ciudadano (Civil Liberties of the citizens) 10. Derecho a elegir a los oficiales públicos (Right to elect their own public officials)
                  * Diccionario Histórico Bibliográfico Comentado de Puerto Rico

                  LARES FLAG Designed by Betances, sewed by Mariana Bracetti. The Flag had a white cross dividing the flag into four sections (rectangles). The top two sections were blue and the bottom sections were red. On the top left rectangle was a white star.

                  This time lets vote for a free Puerto Rico.
                  The days to fight like the movie BRAVEHEART
                  are gone. We must go on writing about the bad
                  things happing in PRico from drugs and
                  what others are trying to keep silence in Puero Rico. Only then could our people make
                  the right choice to either vote for a free
                  country or not.

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                  • #10
                    I once believe in statehood but not any more.
                    I also believe that the ELA can be improved and maintained, and is not the same as to believe that there is a Santa Claus.
                    I do believe in the ELA or a free PRico.
                    Some say that is time that we Puerto Ricans grow up and take on our responsibilities as a State. The we have been free-loading from the American Taxpayer for too long. We never ask to be part of US, or become what we are today. We were force to be what we are today. So if we are free loading then is the United State fault don't blame our people.

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                    • #11
                      This paranoid notion that our armed forces are going to "attack" civilians is nonsense. The bottom line is this. This is the armys base. They purchased it leaglly years ago. Over the years more and more civilinas moved in. You ultiamtely have to blame these morons who would move close to a base to begin with. Then the blame comes down to the handful of pro independnence people who are trying to make this an independence issue. Facts and facts. No one wants to live near a military base. These kinds of protests happen all over our country in communities that live near bases. We can not expect our national armed forces to just move out tommorow. This will take time and regardless of the trouble making independistas, practice will continue. These misguided people actualy think that they have support from the world. When in fact their being laughed at. If the base closes. It closes. But it will be done in a proper manner. If these misguided fools try to prevent military pratice they will be arrested. Like all crimianls should be. This is an issue that many share. But let us rememebr that the Statehood and Common Wealth party made it perfectly clear to these moronic independistas that they wil only be allowed to join together as a community with the Statehood and Common Wealth parties if and only if the independiats do not try to twist this into an indepedence issue. So I say, let them try to prevent our army from practicing on THEIR OWN BASE! They'll just be arrested and removed. SO BE IT! I like Presdient Clinton. But I have to admit if a republican was in office right now this issue would have been taken care of in 2 seconds. The base would stay open. And these proetseting fools would be removed. Period.

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                      • #12
                        CnstrGuy,

                        You are right concerning your points but blaming the lamb is not the right choice, we must hold the people responsible for this disobedience, and I do not mean any disrespect or offense to anyone by this. Regardless of the people illegally on those lands remember one thing there are Puerto Ricans and me as a Navy man is one thing but I am a Puerto Rican and I would not want my people hurt do to this. I agree that the political process is slow and sometimes too time consuming but we have lost one Puerto Rican already how many more must we lose do to this. We may not agree with what the politicians do all the time, but we voted to put them there and we so many other resources to hold anything for happening for awhile for a perfect example the "ELIAN CASE" people get the point!!!
                        HUMANS ARE RELUCTANT TO CHANGE, BUT CHANGE IS ONLY A PART OF EVOLUTION, ONE THAT WE NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN AVOID!

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                        • #13
                          ANYONE WHO ADVOCATES THAT NAVY STAY IN VIEQUES IS TRULY A LOWLIFE VENDEPATRIA
                          THIS LAND BELONGS TO PUERTO RICANS NOT
                          THE U.S.NAVY.
                          IF THE NAVY USES FORCE TO REMOVE THE PROTESTERS,THEN THEY SHOULD BE PREPARED
                          TO BE RETALIATED AGAINST,THIS THREAT WAS
                          ALREADY MADE BY A GROUP WHO HAS ATTACKED
                          THE ARMED FORCES BEFORE.
                          CLINTON HAD NO B@11$ TO STAND UP TO THE MILITARY,SO HE MADE THIS AGREEMENT WITH
                          CORRUPT ROSELLO,BUT THE PEOPLE SAW THROUGH
                          IT,AND ARE AGAINST IT,EXCEPT THOSE LOWLY
                          VENDEPATRIAS.

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                          • #14
                            I know we all love politics but those any one know why only US and Canada play baseball together and not Puerto Rico or any Latin American countries not to mention Mexico?

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                            • #15
                              El Boricua,

                              There is no one here saying that the navy should stay in Vieques what we are saying is that whether we like it or not legally the lands belong to the navy you may want to do your patriotic claim that is belongs to Puerto Rico but legally they do not.

                              [ANYONE WHO ADVOCATES THAT NAVY STAY IN VIEQUES IS TRULY A LOWLIFE VENDEPATRIA
                              THIS LAND BELONGS TO PUERTO RICANS NOT
                              THE U.S.NAVY.]

                              This by far I truly do not believe that any group will attack and if they do you will regret that any of this ever happened and yes I say you will regret how many more need to die, how many? You really make it sound like you can really intimidate the U.S. Armed Forces, really? you must be on some kind of drug! the only one to lose out of all this will continue to be the people of Puerto Rico.
                              [IF THE NAVY USES FORCE TO REMOVE THE PROTESTERS,THEN THEY SHOULD BE PREPARED
                              TO BE RETALIATED AGAINST,THIS THREAT WAS
                              ALREADY MADE BY A GROUP WHO HAS ATTACKED
                              THE ARMED FORCES BEFORE.]

                              Now to deal with your little comment of [VENDE PATRIA] it is strange that to this date you of all people use this term against anyone. I admit that I am in the armed forces, it is a job.
                              Your served in the Navy and while you served it payed your bills just like me, when I retire I will be back on my soil, that is correct Puerto Rico (PAPA). You on the contrary, regardless of the reasons that you may have, are still living in the states and again, call it what ever pleases you and makes it feel better but my friend you are not looking to bright on the [VENDE PATRIA] issue.
                              Yes I know how you will come up with different reasons why you remain in the states but all you will do is feed more would to the fire that you started. I read somewhere that sometimes silence was the best response.
                              HUMANS ARE RELUCTANT TO CHANGE, BUT CHANGE IS ONLY A PART OF EVOLUTION, ONE THAT WE NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN AVOID!

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